TS-209 stop the fan!!!

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Re: TS-209 stop the fan!!!

Postby Ceiling » Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:45 pm

Hi!

I am a new owner of an TS-209 Pro. I am totally satisfied by the features, but I can't believe that the fan sounds so loud while HDDs being spinned down and CPU is idle. My first desktop PC (from 1984) wasn't as loud as this little box :cry:

My vote too: PLEASE implement a menu-option for turning fan off if it is not neccessary to cool.

How does it strike the community:
- buying an fan-adatper 70 to 80mm like this: http://www.ichbinleise.de/Zubehoer/Luefter-Zubehoer/Fanadapter/Fanadapter-70-80::1142.html
- buying an fan like this (Volume: 19,3 m³/h, Sound: 8,9 dB(A), Rotation: 1000 U/min): http://www.ichbinleise.de/Luefter/Sharkoon/Sharkoon-80mm/Sharkoon-Silent-Eagle-1000::1975.html
- mount the fan outside the case with the adapter

Do you mean that is sufficient for cooling?

DEAR QNAP-ENGINEERS,
PLEASE MAKE A CHANGE AND GIVE US A HINT OR TELL US WHAT TO DO TO MAKE THIS NOISY BOX A BIT MORE QUITE.


P.S.: Just now I have lost my nerves and bought a little but nice and good looking plastic box, stone wool (4cm thick) and a plastic sheet for painter. I cut the stone wool so that the pieces fitts to all walls, bottom and cap of the plastic box. Then I wraped the plastic sheet around the stone wool (cause of avoiding dust) and put it onto all sides of the box. At the end and at the front of the box there were two holes for grip. Through these holes I draw the cables and connect them to the TS-209. These two holes are suction and exhaust for the circulation of air simultaneous. I removed the black front-cover from the TS-209 for even better circulation of air.
I can´t believe how quite it could be :lol: The only thing I hear is the very quite fan of my little notebook.

For all circumstances I have build in a wireless sensor for a external thermometer. Without any action the termperature into the box ist 26°C.

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Re: TS-209 stop the fan!!!

Postby jeff79m » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:04 am

Ok I bit the bullet and bought a 70mm to 80mm adapter along with a SilenX 80x80x25mm - 9dBA - 20CFM iXtrema Pro Fan. I used rubber fan mounts and now have the fan sticking off the back of my 209.

It is silent and I can sit in the room and read a book with hearing the fan at all. If I stand next to it I can hear a faint fan noise but only when the house is dead quiet. The old fan I could hear in my bedroom and it drove my wife nuts, which wouldn't work because I needed the device to run at night so I could remote replicate. Now I hear where the hard drives spin up and down. I am very happy with the 209 now.
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Re: TS-209 stop the fan!!!

Postby Tibus » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:20 am

Jeff,

If you have time, could you post a picture of your mod ? :)
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Re: TS-209 stop the fan!!!

Postby Royan » Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:27 pm

jeff79m wrote:Ok I bit the bullet and bought a 70mm to 80mm adapter along with a SilenX 80x80x25mm - 9dBA - 20CFM iXtrema Pro Fan. I used rubber fan mounts and now have the fan sticking off the back of my 209.


Teriffic...
I'm just about to do the same thing myself.
Have you noticed any change in temperature?

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Re: TS-209 stop the fan!!!

Postby kungjohan » Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:11 am

I am thinking of replacing my fan and wonder if any of you that has replaced your fan has some nice pictures of the mod?
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Re: TS-209 stop the fan!!!

Postby qman-ger » Sat Feb 09, 2008 12:58 am

hi there,

dropping into this thread again I try calming down the box like mentioned in one of my replies before...

I´ll try teh same as Jeff...

by jeff79m on Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:04 pm

Ok I bit the bullet and bought a 70mm to 80mm adapter along with a SilenX 80x80x25mm - 9dBA - 20CFM iXtrema Pro Fan. I used rubber fan mounts and now have the fan sticking off the back of my 209.

It is silent and I can sit in the room and read a book with hearing the fan at all. If I stand next to it I can hear a faint fan noise but only when the house is dead quiet. The old fan I could hear in my bedroom and it drove my wife nuts, which wouldn't work because I needed the device to run at night so I could remote replicate. Now I hear where the hard drives spin up and down. I am very happy with the 209 now.


@Royan

by Royan on Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:36 am

qman-ger wrote:
...
good to see some posts regarding this problem. I just replaced the bisonic fan by a PAPST 712L Fan.
No improvements were made. So I am still searching for a solution to calm down the box.
...


Hi.

Just a quick question about the Papst fan you mentioned.
Did you mean 712 F/2L?
I can only find the 712 F (38 dBA), 712 F/2L (25 dBA) and 712 F/2M (32 dBA) fans on Papst's site...

If you ment the 712 F/2L, then I won't bother trying it, but if it is one of the other fans it might be worh a shot...

Royan


Papst 712 F/2L is no improvement after all. It is as noisy as before. As soon as I get the delivery of the 70 to 80mm adapter plate an the new fan I post some pictures of the mod...

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Re: TS-209 stop the fan!!!

Postby Royan » Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:55 am

I've dropped the idea of replacing the fan with a new 70mm fan as well.
There just aren't any good, silent 70mm fans available...

So, I got my 70mm to 80mm adapter, now I've just got to wait until my vendor gets more of the Noctua NF-R8 fans in stock...

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Re: TS-209 stop the fan!!!

Postby qman-ger » Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:29 am

"THE SILENT MOD"

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greets


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Re: TS-209 stop the fan!!!

Postby Tibus » Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:49 am

Thank you for the pics !
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Re: TS-209 stop the fan!!!

Postby badrparker » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:05 pm

I just got my 209 and I have to say I’m really disappointed by the amount of noise it makes too. It’s not quite Xbox 360 bad but its getting close, there’s no way most people could put up with this thing in their living room. For a premium product like this it was a criminal design decision to try and save a few quid by sticking in a cheap 70mm fan, poor effort Qnap.

So now I either send it back, do the 80mm fan mod which looks bl**dy awful (no offence bernd, you did what you could with what you had to work with), or run some cat5 and get it into the spare room. A shame. :roll:
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Re: TS-209 stop the fan!!!

Postby minor » Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:06 pm

badrparker wrote:I just got my 209 and I have to say I’m really disappointed by the amount of noise it makes too. :


Yes, i was disappointed, too. But i dont give up the hope that QNAP will improve the firmware and stop the fan whenever its not needed to run.
I think the new firmware with SMART-Status for the HDDs gives good information for programming such a control.
Furthermore you should not forget that the TS-109-series is build completly fanless, but uses almost exactly the same hardware as the 209-series, except for the second drive. So it shouldnt be as impossible to stop the fan as the qnap-guys were trying to pretend at the start of this thread. Furthermore i think, that the 209-series is build much better than the 109-series regarding the thermal aspects: There is much more space inside the housing and there are bigger ventilation holes in the much bigger surface. I think, if you place it right (in cool room), it can cool itself without any fan.

badrparker wrote: So now I either send it back, do the 80mm fan mod which looks bl**dy awful (no offence bernd, you did what you could with what you had to work with), or run some cat5 and get it into the spare room. A shame. :roll:


Yes, the external-fan-mod is no awward-wining-design ;-) and don´t forget, it ruins your warranty! So nothing for me either! But, parker, i wouldn´t send it back! Put it in a spare room, in fact, thats were such a machine belongs (from my point of view). After all its really the best NAS i ever had, you will hardly find something better in this price-league!
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Re: TS-209 stop the fan!!!

Postby qman-ger » Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:31 pm

hi,

1st of all I am personally not offended by neg comments to that mod above.
But for me it was the only way to get the box calm, even the warranty is lost by doing so... I want to keep it either...

Now, after running the box with this mod I can tell you that the temps of the 2 harddisks RAID1 are stable at 44°C.
I can here no more noise after all. Only the roatation of the harddisks can be slightly heard.

At no moment of time it was my intention to provide all members of the communtiy with a universal "noise-healing-solution". :roll:
It is the way I personally managed to KILL the NOISE of my 209-pro - Now I am very happy with it !

To Conclude:

It is a real shame that no one of QNAP comments this failure in the design of 209-pro. Placed on the market as a storage solution for demanding personal use, the noise which comes along with this in other repects very good product is simply not acceptable. :!:

When you don´t have the possibility to place the box in the basement or somewhere else, far away from your living enviroment, because you have thousands of meters of GBit-LAN-Cable spread all over your house or flat (I am living in a flat) - you can deal with the noise - or - have the possibility to loose warranty and make the "mod".

greets

bernd


Please don´t take it much to serious:

"because you have thousands of meters of GBit-LAN-Cable spread all over your house or flat"
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Re: TS-209 stop the fan!!!

Postby Markovich » Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:42 pm

minor wrote:Furthermore i think, that the 209-series is build much better than the 109-series regarding the thermal aspects: There is much more space inside the housing and there are bigger ventilation holes in the much bigger surface. I think, if you place it right (in cool room), it can cool itself without any fan.

You may well be right that the 209 might be able to stay sufficiently cool without the fan running under some conditions, but I suspect your assumption is otherwise flawed. The 109 was designed from the ground up to run without a fan, and uses an alloy case with appropriate room between components for the correct thermal adjustments. At the moment the drive is sitting on 39 degrees (ambient room temp is 25 degrees with 77% humidity and no air movement). The specific calculations and design elements of the 109 would not have been performed for the 209 and 409 based on there being a fan installed in these units to draw air for cooling.

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Re: TS-209 stop the fan!!!

Postby Markovich » Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:50 pm

qman-ger wrote:It is a real shame that no one of QNAP comments this failure in the design of 209-pro. Placed on the market as a storage solution for demanding personal use, the noise which comes along with this in other repects very good product is simply not acceptable. :!:

I suspect you'll find they'll comment where there has been internal discussion and come to the conclusion something practical and affordable can be done to change a given situation. There may be no comment coming on this due to any or all of the following:

1) Expense associated with making such a change, including technical design, manufacturing changes, parts sourcing and allocation
2) Percentage of users that actually have a problem with it
3) Some QNAP staff may even conceivably agree with you, but they also have to listen to their engineering and accounting departments and their priorities

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- NAS 2 : TS-109 / fw: 3.3.0 Build 0924T / HDD: 1 x Samsung 2TB
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Re: TS-209 stop the fan!!!

Postby hochi » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:55 am

I tested it 30 minutes to stop the fan and nothing goes wrong, what´s if i just add a resistance in to the red cable?
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