Seagate ST4000DM000

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Seagate ST4000DM000

Postby animaleyes76 » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:45 am

Anybody tried the ST4000DM000 drive? Seems pretty new...

I can't say i'm optimistic about it after the ST2000DM001 and ST3000DM001 issues.

Read that WD are doing WD Red 4TBs quite soon and then 5TBs at the end of the year anyway.....

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Re: Seagate ST4000DM000

Postby LarsN » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:17 pm

It appears to be part of the same series of drives http://www.seagate.com/files/www-conten ... 1212gb.pdf
Beyond that, I can't really offer much advice.
If there's enough interest, I could get it on the list of drives to be tested.

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Re: Seagate ST4000DM000

Postby nanotech » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:07 pm

Interested :) Please add! WD Red 4TB remains unavailable to me and I've personally had good luck with my ST2000DM001 drives (they came with the right firmware). I can buy these drives today, waiting to pull the trigger :)

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Re: Seagate ST4000DM000

Postby animaleyes76 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:23 pm

Def be interested to see how they do too

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Re: Seagate ST4000DM000

Postby LarsN » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:37 am

Added to the request list.

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Re: Seagate ST4000DM000

Postby Matej » Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:46 pm

Have you any idea when we will know results of testing? |'m asking you because we really want to buy 8 of them to TS-869Pro.

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Re: Seagate ST4000DM000

Postby Chris16TB » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:58 pm

Hello guys,

I sort of jumped the gun and bought 4 of these having reached my capacity limit on my array.

I'm on slightly older firmware having never had a reason to upgrade, 3.4 i believe.

When I select Expand and slide in the first drive, it never starts rebuilding. It detects the ST4000DM000 with the correct size (~3700GB) but after I slide the drive in, it never beeps and begins the rebuild process.

For the time being I have put my 2TB back in and am letting it rebuild until QNAP has time to call me back. I have left a message with their tech support guys.

Hopefully they can SSH into my box, upgrade the firmware or manually force the rebuild with the 4TB's in.

I dont see why these drives couldnt work, but am prepared to return them if needed.

UPDATE: I took a look at the drive in Windows disks manager. Its partitioned in RAW format as a dynamic disk. I converted to GUID Partition Table (GPT) and took it down to unpartitioned space. Am going to retry and see if that helps.

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Re: Seagate ST4000DM000

Postby P3R » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:02 am

Chris16TB wrote:I'm on slightly older firmware having never had a reason to upgrade, 3.4 i believe.
It absolutely needs to be version 3.4 or later for larger than 2 TB disks to be supported.
RAID have never ever been a replacement for backups. Without backups on a different system (preferably placed at another site) you will eventually lose data!

All data storage consists of both the primary storage and the backups. It's your money and your data, spend the money wisely or pay with your data!

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Re: Seagate ST4000DM000

Postby Chris16TB » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:05 am

Problem is fixed, array is rebuilding with the 4TB drive in. I will assume that since these drives came out of USB enclosures that was the reason they needed to be wiped before use. Dont imagine I'll have any issues growing it to 16TB after they are all in either, but ill report back when its done.

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Re: Seagate ST4000DM000

Postby P3R » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:11 pm

Chris16TB wrote:...these drives came out of USB enclosures...
For anybody else thinking of doing the same thing, please be aware that it voids warranty on the disks.
RAID have never ever been a replacement for backups. Without backups on a different system (preferably placed at another site) you will eventually lose data!

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Re: Seagate ST4000DM000

Postby Chris16TB » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:38 pm

The expansion from 8TB to 16TB took ~6.5 hours it looks like. Really good in my opinion, specially on dated firmware. I had thought it was going to take over 10 hours originally.

I didnt know about the warranty, only went with them because they were on sale for $20 less than the ones without enclosure, plus i can reuse the enclosures for other drives.

NAS is for my personal use, low usage, so its not the end of the world they arnt covered.

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Re: Seagate ST4000DM000

Postby nibbles » Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:31 am

Hello Everyone

I'm going to pick up a couple of these drives today. I will be able to report results hopefully by tomorow.
I'm using latest firmware build on 859 Pro +.

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Re: Seagate ST4000DM000

Postby pwilson » Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:49 am

nibbles wrote:Hello Everyone

I'm going to pick up a couple of these drives today. I will be able to report results hopefully by tomorow.
I'm using latest firmware build on 859 Pro +.

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Why would you do that? The Seagate ST4000DM000 is not on the QNAP 3.5" HDD Compatibility List, but it's cousin the ST3000DM003 contains the observation:

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These hard drives models have passed QNAP lab's compatibility verifications. However, some users have reported unstable experiences with these hard drives. Users who encounter any issues with these hard drive models are welcome to contact our tech support for direct assistance. The manufacturer has released a new firmware version for these hard drive models. Please check this link for more information.

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Re: Seagate ST4000DM000

Postby nibbles » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:12 am

pwilson wrote:
nibbles wrote:Hello Everyone

I'm going to pick up a couple of these drives today. I will be able to report results hopefully by tomorow.
I'm using latest firmware build on 859 Pro +.

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Why would you do that? The Seagate ST4000DM000 is not on the QNAP 3.5" HDD Compatibility List, but it's cousin the ST3000DM003 contains the observation:

Note16
These hard drives models have passed QNAP lab's compatibility verifications. However, some users have reported unstable experiences with these hard drives. Users who encounter any issues with these hard drive models are welcome to contact our tech support for direct assistance. The manufacturer has released a new firmware version for these hard drive models. Please check this link for more information.



Hello there.

Thanks for your perspective on this however...
Although that is true, it does not mean that it will not work either. I have on 2 other occassions tried the very same strategies with 2 other sets of drives in which was not in the compability list yet worked flawlessly. I normally look at similarity on characteristics on the drive except with this model it is a 4 platter based driver which runs quieter but functionality wise has similarities to it's cousin. On either count, I have over the counter exchange to alternate model should they not fair well... and my environment is not always mission critical so I'm open to take a chance to see how it goes. And someone gotta at least try 8) to see how it goes result wise.... Nothing ventured... nothing gained :)

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Re: Seagate ST4000DM000

Postby nibbles » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:31 am

nibbles wrote:Hello Everyone

I'm going to pick up a couple of these drives today. I will be able to report results hopefully by tomorow.
I'm using latest firmware build on 859 Pro +.

Nibbles



I had a chance to install them and here's some details of my own setup:

QNAP Model: QNAP TS-859 Pro +
Firmware version 3.8.2 Build 20130301
Drive Used: 2 Seagate ST4000DM000-1F21CC51

System Detected Them fine
They work fine using Standard JBOD
However had some initial trouble with using Raid 1 Mirror
- Initial formating would fail
- retried second attempt - format was successful
- Had to perform a full power down 1st (removed power) and restart which helped
- Process Completed at: 2013-03-26 1 03:17:51
System 127.0.0.1 localhost [Mirror Disk Volume: Drive 5 6] Resyncing done.


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