How much better is the TS-673A over the TS-673?

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How much better is the TS-673A over the TS-673?

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It's about time to upgrade my TS-453 Pro NAS... I am looking at the TS-673A but it has not been readily available for a while. How much better is the TS-673A over the TS-673? I only use the NAS as a multimedia DLNA server at home. I do not use transcoding or plan to use Plex nor is the server accessible outside my network. The TS-453 Pro uses an Intel Celeron J1900 CPU which has been adequate but there have been instances where the CPU bogs down when streaming and while transferring files to/from the NAS.

My primary question is how much better is the AMD Ryzen Embedded V1500B quad-core 2.2 GHz processor over the AMD RX-421ND 2.13 GHz CPU. I read that the V1500B is 3X more powerful than the Celeron on the TS-453 Pro. The AMD RX-421ND has four cores and the V1500B also has four cores but also supports multi-threading (eight). But the RX-421ND can be boosted to 3.4 GHz while V1500B does not offer any boosted speeds (i.e.stuck at 2.2 Ghz). Another factor is that the RX-421ND only has a single cache of 2MB and the V1500B has a dual cache of 2+4 MB. Finally, the V1500B uses half the power of the RX CPU.

So it boils down to whether i should wait for the TS-673A or just get the older TS-673 if the CPU performance is that much better on the TS-673A.
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Re: How much better is the TS-673A over the TS-673?

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73A has Zen1 Architecture. 73 without the A is pre-zen.
going from pre-zen to zen is about a 50% IPC improvement.

Adding hyperthreading should help when running many apps or containers or just doing lots of things at once.
For tasks where Hyperthreading helps, I expect 73A to be almost 2 times as powerful as the 73 series.
For a task that do not benefit from Hyperthreading, I expect 73A to be about 50% better.

I understand 73 has turbo boost and 73A does not. But 73A has a very slightly higher base clock.
So I still think 73A CPU should be between about 50% better to about twice as good depending on the use case.
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Re: How much better is the TS-673A over the TS-673?

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I bought the TS-673A and can verify that it is a lot more responsive than my old TS-453 Pro which uses the Intel J1900 2.2 GHz Celeron Dual core CPU. Streaming is a lot easier through DLNA now. Scrolling through file directories is faster. Starting videos is quicker, FF or RW a video is smoother. My only regret is now that QNAP has released the 873A, I was surpirised that it was only $150 more expensive...
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Re: How much better is the TS-673A over the TS-673?

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Zen blow all the older amd cpus out the water. heck it even rattled intel to it's core, making them try harder to compete against amd's zen cpus.

the ts-x73A series has quts hero (which is zfs linux) and has ecc ram support. if this model is within your budget, i highly recommend it for your main nas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obxtGFnqO-E


it uses a V1500B ryzen cpu with a tdp of 16 watts, so you can leave it on 24/7 with this particular nas comfortably :D


one downside is because it's not an intel cpu, it won't have quicksync. but if the cpu is good enough to handle software encoding e.g. plex live transcoding, this shouldn't be a problem depending on the content
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Re: How much better is the TS-673A over the TS-673?

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jon96789 wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:16 am It's about time to upgrade my TS-453 Pro NAS... I am looking at the TS-673A but it has not been readily available for a while. How much better is the TS-673A over the TS-673? I only use the NAS as a multimedia DLNA server at home. I do not use transcoding or plan to use Plex nor is the server accessible outside my network. The TS-453 Pro uses an Intel Celeron J1900 CPU which has been adequate but there have been instances where the CPU bogs down when streaming and while transferring files to/from the NAS.

My primary question is how much better is the AMD Ryzen Embedded V1500B quad-core 2.2 GHz processor over the AMD RX-421ND 2.13 GHz CPU. I read that the V1500B is 3X more powerful than the Celeron on the TS-453 Pro. The AMD RX-421ND has four cores and the V1500B also has four cores but also supports multi-threading (eight). But the RX-421ND can be boosted to 3.4 GHz while V1500B does not offer any boosted speeds (i.e.stuck at 2.2 Ghz). Another factor is that the RX-421ND only has a single cache of 2MB and the V1500B has a dual cache of 2+4 MB. Finally, the V1500B uses half the power of the RX CPU.

So it boils down to whether i should wait for the TS-673A or just get the older TS-673 if the CPU performance is that much better on the TS-673A.
One very important thing to remember is the support from QNAP. If you buy a model that is say 1, 2 or 3 years old, it just means the firmware support from QNAP will end earlier.

If price difference is not much, go for newer or newest model. Longer useful life, faster performance, less headache.
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