casw1000 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:26 am
deesto wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:53 pm
I was talking mostly about the comments earlier from @SR22pilot and @casw1000
Hi Deesto. Just to add some feedback. I upgraded to 80GB ram for now using the original 16GB and 2x 32GB Kingston ram, using the mentioned Kingston ram and its been stable and reliable. I found many times, that Samsung and Kingston validate their memory based on these enterprise manufacturers specifications, which is driven by Intel or AMD's processor and respective controllers. Unless I missed a bit of news, I dont believe that Qnap makes memory, they will likely use Micron or similar branded modules and choose that brand as its official memory supply.
The statement about the ATX boards, I find a bit perplexing. I have never heard of ATX Ram. I strongly feel this statement is incorrect/misleading. Additionally, ATX is a form factor rather than a specification itself. So they are correct in saying the QNAP boards are not ATX boards, and are bespoke, fair point.
The second statement saying the ram is not compatible is again slightly misleading, whereas not supported is more accurate (IMO). Qnap has (to the best of my knowledge) always stated to replace original ram as part of any troubleshooting process. Also to run memtest on non qnap branded memory.
Further more, "you may notice that streaming high bit stream files causes buffering and file disconnections, this can also damage the main board, cpu and shorten the life of your disks.
" - I would like to see some technical data that backs this statement up. So, how does streaming data damage the main board, cpu and shorten the life of disks, because of the ram? Yes you could experience buffering and other file disconnections.... but.... I dont technically see how this could damage the cpu.
If the ram used is technically incompatible, such as voltages or speed, or chip density / configuration, then i would expect more of a BIOS boot failure, or instability of the NAS almost immediately after installing the ram. However, when choosing a ram upgrade, its always a good practice to upgrade using the same DIMM module configuration that is provided by the manufacturer's specifications.
Also to ask about the prices you mentioned, I paid £308 for 64GB from an online etailer. it's currently more expensive on a certain larger etailer and for sure price does vary, but I have not seen it that high. Where did you see the $1200 for 64GB ram. I am thinking of buying another 2x 32GB or I might wait until I really need it.
Anyway, I have rambled on long enough. I dont know if this helps at all, but I felt the need to respond to the quotes you provided. So this is not aimed at you, just the quoted info.
Just to respond to your comments furthermore. This is indeed all what I had argued (very strongly) to Matt Webster (in particular what you mentioned in regards to it not being compatible vs. unsupported). Yet they stayed too firm on their incompatibility response.
I - like you - find it all ludicrous, though! (So thank you for corroborating some more info in on it).
But they know best (or not?), it seems!
In regards to the price, I bought 2x32GB KINGSTON models for £170 each, in line with your pricing more or less (I bought from Amazon whom supplied next day, but otherwise - and as it stands - the pricing you quoted seems most correct and in line to what it SHOULD be.
I mentioned the higher pricing (1200USD) if going direct to QNAP and buying THEIR memory from their shop (US based) -seeing as this is what they suggest and seem to leave us not option but. So I was complaining as to how uncompetitive that was, as well as pointing out a very unfair and marked-up pricing (personally, i feel there is no need to be so greedy after investing £2000-2500 on QNAP products).
Lastly, my factory memory is made by Innodisk, not Micron. Chances are this is what it will be if bought from QNAP shop directly... although in all likelihood, they may still be putting Micron chips on the innodisk boards
! I can't remember off the top of my head but I think there was a guy who said someone else said their innodisks boards full of Micron chips. Don't quote me on that though.. Mine is now buried with all screws back in place, etc, - otherwise i'd go and check to see if i could spot anything external that said so?!
"Qnap has (to the best of my knowledge) always stated to replace original ram as part of any troubleshooting process. Also to run memtest on non qnap branded memory"
Well, this is indeed correct. Not sure if I managed to quote that bit of the response earlier. But this is accurate.
"If the ram used is technically incompatible, such as voltages or speed, or chip density / configuration, then i would expect more of a BIOS boot failure, or instability of the NAS almost immediately after installing the ram"
Again, something I argued to Matt, but didn't care to comment and I did not get a reply or a response on that. Shame! I also asked for fact-based evidence and spec.ed evidence to his argument. Again they just said they would not further comment as I had incompatible and unsupported ram installed and that it was the end of the matter.
Where did you get your RAM? Just curious to see if they offer a good price when in need, and so i get the full 128GB of RAM possible eventually.
I'd like to upgrade the W-1250 to a W-1290, but it's still not readily available. Perhaps something else will be compatible instead (with similar consumption specs)?
Thank you for writing back in, Colin!