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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by Nightwolf » Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:28 am

I ordered it, maybe it will arrive at the weekend.

In theory, every 2HE heatsink not exceeding 65mm height (from socket like the standard heatsink, 64mm) which is fitting socket 115x will be suitable...
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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by rdobosz » Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:38 am

Could you please your results and maybe a picture?

Reason I ask, I am considering purchasing the 882 i3 and then upgrading it to the i7 6700, 32gb RAM and m2 850 evo and want to make sure that it will run properly with a fanless/passive heat sink.
Does anyone happen to know if this ram will work?
http://www.corsair.com/en-us/vengeance- ... m2b3200c16

i cant seem to find any RAM on the compatibility list for the tvs-882

I may upgrade the case fans later.

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by Nightwolf » Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:30 am

Like stated before, the RAM shouldn't have any heatspreader due to size and space between itself and the fan housing.

Crucial RAM is working fine, heard that Kingston will be fine, too.

The original heatsink should work for the normal 6700 @65W TDP, maybe replace the thermal grease using a better one.
But I'll test the K618 and report asap when it arrives.
Today the CNPS2X arrived...but I'm wondering a little bit. Zalman was one of the good ones, but I cannot believe that this tiny and lightweight cooler can stand up to 120 watts.
It's already reported that it will hardly cool up to 90 watts at full speed. We'll see...

But you really should consider replacing the case fans for the HDD's. The Noctua Redux have a better airflow and are more silent, too, so you can speed them up (power mode) keeping your harddrives cool without getting mad about the noise.
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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by fedxing » Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:24 am

rdobosz wrote:Reason I ask, I am considering purchasing the 882 i3 and then upgrading it to the i7 6700, 32gb RAM and m2 850 evo and want to make sure that it will run properly with a fanless/passive heat sink.
Does anyone happen to know if this ram will work?
http://www.corsair.com/en-us/vengeance- ... m2b3200c16

i cant seem to find any RAM on the compatibility list for the tvs-882


That RAM might work (but will not fit using stock fans) although it will still run at 2133MHz due to below restrictions:
1. You would need to enable XMP in the BIOS in order to run SPD profiles above 2133Mhz which I don't think you can do with x82/T.
2. Memory voltage is locked at 1.2volts. That Corsair RAM runs at 2133MHz on 1.2v
3. Intel Core i7 6700 is locked

If you want heatsink with your RAM sticks that would fit along with stock fans, the Kingston HyperX Fury works (pics on page 14)

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by rdobosz » Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:54 am

Thanks Nightwolf and fedxing. Much appreciated

I think I'm going to go with the 32gb of the HyperX Fury RAM

I'm still going to wait to see how you make out nightwolf with your heatsink. Im sure the stock heatsink will work but the K618 might be a bit better since I'm planning on upgrading to the i7

Even if its just idling... the i7 will give off a bit more heat then the i5 and i3 correct?

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by peelos » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:40 pm

I think I'm going to go with the 32gb of the HyperX Fury RAM


You do realise it has been tested and confirmed working with 64Gb, rather than the stated max 32Gb - right? :D
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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by Nightwolf » Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:57 pm

Of course 32 GB will work, too. I think it's just the money for the decision how much RAM will be installed :)

rdobosz, you're aware that I'm actually dealing with an 6700"K" with the stock heatsink? The TDP of the normal 6700 is only 65W while I've got 88-95 W of heat.
I think you should try, have a closer look to the temps, and then replace one part by another by time :)
Spend more attention to the fans and the tram rather than the heatsink :)
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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by Nightwolf » Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:15 pm

New project: Liquid cooling.
Found the Corsair Hydro H5-SF.
If the radiator would fit at the backside it would directly exhausting the hot air... Seems to be I'm in need of more information :D

/edit:
From the dimensions which are shown in several tests, it will fit.
Ordered one for testing :wink:
Will report asap (before installing the CNPS2X and K-618 - if it's fine, but for the K-618 I'll check the dimensions) :mrgreen:
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Post by non-serviam » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:00 am

Do we really need 64GB of RAM? If the filesytem was ZFS, we might had a need for such a high RAM capacity, but now why? Even with two VMs running, given 8GB (overkill) each, there are still 16GB left for the rest of the system. Please someone tell me a good reason, as I am going to order the RAM today and I am not quite sure if it is worth it.

On a side note, about the missing visualization stuff that I mentioned earlier, I was referring to Linux station (yea, not exactly VM but you get the point), that, even though I had upgraded to the latest firmware, did not appear. So I though it might be a T model extra, but after a reboot that I made it magically appeared... Crazy stuff happening...

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by Nightwolf » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:14 am

Tested "Deep Neuronal Learning" at Ubuntu 14.04 using 40 GB of RAM.
Special service, but it's like the old funny joke from billy boy: "640K ought to be enough for anybody"
Or "1 TB HDD space? You won't ever fill that" (of course, I did).

Also, using the HD Station will fill up to 8+2 GB if you're watching 4K using YouTube (was described before installation).
So yeah, 2 VM's using 16 GB and the station using 10 GB and you'll have 4 GB left (1.71 for the system)...
Decisions...decisions...
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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by peelos » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:35 am

New project: Liquid cooling.


Can't wait to see if this fits.. saw something similar fitted to a TVS-871 but it had the tubes protruding outside.. a nice clean solution using liquid cooling would be perfect.. still debating on the processor to go for due to the reports of the 6700k overheating.. don't like the idea of a difficult custom heatsink install and potential temperature issues.
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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by cryptochrome » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:48 am

Do you guys really think you need (or will notice) the relatively small speed bumb between the stock 6700 vs the 6700K? We are talking 600 Mhz, and Mhz doesn't really mean anything anymore these days, at least not in these small amounts. Unless you want to seriously overclock the 6700K (which is what it is designed for), I don't think you will gain much. Just throwing this in, as some of you seem to go to great lengths to get the cooling right, just for a few hundred Mhz difference that you most likely won't even notice.

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by Nightwolf » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:57 am

Outside is no option - this would be more than easy. Even inside using a radiator attached to the 2 (or 3 at the 1282) HDD fans isn't too difficult - but I'd like to keep cpu stuff at the small side of the case...
69 degrees aren't to high but the noise level is awful.

cryptochrome, it's 600 MHz more for 3 bucks.
You say it's nothing worth talking about it.
For example, in Deep Learning 600 MHz are 1.5 to 2 hours less for computing a 2 MP picture.

Maybe it's just nothing worth talking about - for you.

Also I'd like to have a very very silent solution for the living room - nothing the standard fans can handle if you run one or 2 VM's which aren't ideling the whole time.
So the power has to be compared with low noise...quiet like a church mouse...
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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by peelos » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:45 am

Was thinking the same, the price argument doesn't really work if you end up spending the difference on the cooling system.

Silence however would be a big bonus for those who want the device to be seen and not heard.. guess it ultimately comes down to the individual needs, but I do like to see these experiments so well documented for everyone to make up their own mind, to fit their needs..

Did anyone consider starting the wiki page that was mentioned as an idea? would be a fantastic resource for those looking to order the right kit.
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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by cryptochrome » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:00 am

Not saying it's not worth mentioning... it depends on the use case of course. But are you really going to do some heavy number crunching (like in deep learning) on a NAS? Not arguing , just discussing :)

The noise is definitely the ultimate reason to mod the case of course. I hope I can live with the noise of the stock case because I am not really fond of modding it.

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