Better to max out available drive slots or add drives over time
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Better to max out available drive slots or add drives over time
Hi, I am planning for the TS1277 and wondering if I should start with 8 hdd now or to start smaller and add more hdd over time.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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Re: Better to max out available drive slots or add drives over time
Hi and Welcome to the forums
Though this is usually a personal choice, I guess it is better to add over time so that Hard disks are not from the same batch and have the same warranty date. if a disc failed, you might have multiple failures at once which could destroy an array. this is of course very rare, but worth taking note of.
Though this is usually a personal choice, I guess it is better to add over time so that Hard disks are not from the same batch and have the same warranty date. if a disc failed, you might have multiple failures at once which could destroy an array. this is of course very rare, but worth taking note of.
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Re: Better to max out available drive slots or add drives over time
Thanks Simon. Much appreciated.
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Re: Better to max out available drive slots or add drives over time
I don't see many downsides to buying over time. I would rather buy over time because the price of drives over time will likely decrease. If you wait to buy until you need the space you should get a better price.
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Sound advice. Thanks Daniel.
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Re: Better to max out available drive slots or add drives over time
The only * I would add to the comments above are related to using the 2.5" drives slots for SSD's.
Currently if you want to leverage QNAP's QTier functionality, you have to set it up at the time of Storage Pool creation. So if you were going to use say the 4xSSD + 8xHDD in a QTier config, you would probably want to get the 4xSSD right away (especially if you were thinking RAID-10 for them).
I don't believe you would need to have all 8xHDD's in place at that time though so you could expand those down the road.
Currently if you want to leverage QNAP's QTier functionality, you have to set it up at the time of Storage Pool creation. So if you were going to use say the 4xSSD + 8xHDD in a QTier config, you would probably want to get the 4xSSD right away (especially if you were thinking RAID-10 for them).
I don't believe you would need to have all 8xHDD's in place at that time though so you could expand those down the road.
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Re: Better to max out available drive slots or add drives over time
@Trexx, actually I'm thinking of setting up 8x3.5inch in Raid 10 for movies, and 4x2.5inch for music, also Raid 10. I think I might use the M.2 for the tiering, if that is a possible configuration.
I currently have a Dlink DNS 343 for music and 2x Netgear Readynas Business Pro, one for movies and the other a backup - DNS in Raid 5, Readynas in Raid 6.
Once the TS 1277 is acquired, I plan to use the Readynas as backups. The DNS I shall retire - its too slow.
I currently have a Dlink DNS 343 for music and 2x Netgear Readynas Business Pro, one for movies and the other a backup - DNS in Raid 5, Readynas in Raid 6.
Once the TS 1277 is acquired, I plan to use the Readynas as backups. The DNS I shall retire - its too slow.
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Re: Better to max out available drive slots or add drives over time
I would use one RAID 6 for all storage instead of RAID 10.
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Use RAID and external backups. RAID will protect you from disk failure, keep your system running, and data accessible while the disk is replaced, and the RAID rebuilt. Backups will allow you to recover data that is lost or corrupted, or from system failure. One does not replace the other.
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Use RAID and external backups. RAID will protect you from disk failure, keep your system running, and data accessible while the disk is replaced, and the RAID rebuilt. Backups will allow you to recover data that is lost or corrupted, or from system failure. One does not replace the other.
NAS: TVS-882BR | F/W: 5.0.1.2346 | 40GB | 2 x 1TB M.2 SATA RAID 1 (System/VMs) | 3 x 1TB M.2 NMVe QM2-4P-384A RAID 5 (cache) | 5 x 14TB Exos HDD RAID 6 (Data) | 1 x Blu-ray
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Re: Better to max out available drive slots or add drives over time
The only argument I can think of for doing all 8x HDD drives at once would be speed. If you are planning to purchase a 10GbE card you will be better able to saturate it's available bandwidth with a larger numbers of drives.
Aside from that, I agree that ramping up is typically better. Get the fewest number and largest capacity drives that meet your storage/redundancy/budget requirements today, and then add more as your storage needs increase - with the added benefit that the drive costs will likely come down and your manufacture/warranty dates will be scattered.
Aside from that, I agree that ramping up is typically better. Get the fewest number and largest capacity drives that meet your storage/redundancy/budget requirements today, and then add more as your storage needs increase - with the added benefit that the drive costs will likely come down and your manufacture/warranty dates will be scattered.
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Re: Better to max out available drive slots or add drives over time
For the 4x2.5" I would do Raid-5. You won't need RAID-6 for that small of a raid group, and you won't gain any significant performance (especially in the Ryzen series) from Raid-10 vs. Raid-5.landseer_sg wrote:@Trexx, actually I'm thinking of setting up 8x3.5inch in Raid 10 for movies, and 4x2.5inch for music, also Raid 10. I think I might use the M.2 for the tiering, if that is a possible configuration.
I currently have a Dlink DNS 343 for music and 2x Netgear Readynas Business Pro, one for movies and the other a backup - DNS in Raid 5, Readynas in Raid 6.
Once the TS 1277 is acquired, I plan to use the Readynas as backups. The DNS I shall retire - its too slow.
You can use the m.2 for tiering, straight storage (storage pool) or caching which could come in handy if you will have 10GbE NW. Mainly helps with random i/o usage, not so much for sequential usage.
Paul
Model: TS-877-1600 FW: 4.5.3.x
QTS (SSD): [RAID-1] 2 x 1TB WD Blue m.2's
Data (HDD): [RAID-5] 6 x 3TB HGST DeskStar
VMs (SSD): [RAID-1] 2 x1TB SK Hynix Gold
Ext. (HDD): TR-004 [Raid-5] 4 x 4TB HGST Ultastor
RAM: Kingston HyperX Fury 64GB DDR4-2666
UPS: CP AVR1350
Model:TVS-673 32GB & TS-228a Offline[/color]
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Model: TS-877-1600 FW: 4.5.3.x
QTS (SSD): [RAID-1] 2 x 1TB WD Blue m.2's
Data (HDD): [RAID-5] 6 x 3TB HGST DeskStar
VMs (SSD): [RAID-1] 2 x1TB SK Hynix Gold
Ext. (HDD): TR-004 [Raid-5] 4 x 4TB HGST Ultastor
RAM: Kingston HyperX Fury 64GB DDR4-2666
UPS: CP AVR1350
Model:TVS-673 32GB & TS-228a Offline[/color]
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Re: Better to max out available drive slots or add drives over time
Think I'll just do that. Thanks Paul.
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Re: Better to max out available drive slots or add drives over time
RAID 6 would be faster, more reliable and give you more available storage than RAID 10.landseer_sg wrote:@Trexx, actually I'm thinking of setting up 8x3.5inch in Raid 10 for movies...
Wow! SSDs for a very low bandwidth sequential application like music streaming my be considered a slight overkill hardware configuration....4x2.5inch for music, also Raid 10.
Why not have the music in a shared folder called Music and the movies in a shared folder called Movies on the mechanical disks instead? That could save you much money with absolutely no difference in performance. Already the change from RAID 10 to RAID 6 I suggested above would probably give you plenty of room for the music as well unless your music collection approaches the size of Spotify or Tidal.
Why do you think you need tiering? The data you've mentioned so far suggests the usage for this NAS is media streaming that 8 mechanical disks should do just fine without any SSD support at all.I think I might use the M.2 for the tiering, if that is a possible configuration.
If the streaming involves live transcoding you may have use for the CPU but disks unlikely will be a bottleneck unless we're talking of many concurrent streams. Do you intend to use much live transcoding?
Is media streaming the only use for this NAS? How many concurrent streams of movies and music respectively?
What does the networking look like? 1, 10 or 40 GbE?
RAID have never ever been a replacement for backups. Without backups on a different system (preferably placed at another site), you will eventually lose data!
A non-RAID configuration (including RAID 0, which isn't really RAID) with a backup on a separate media protects your data far better than any RAID-volume without backup.
All data storage consists of both the primary storage and the backups. It's your money and your data, spend the storage budget wisely or pay with your data!
A non-RAID configuration (including RAID 0, which isn't really RAID) with a backup on a separate media protects your data far better than any RAID-volume without backup.
All data storage consists of both the primary storage and the backups. It's your money and your data, spend the storage budget wisely or pay with your data!
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Re: Better to max out available drive slots or add drives over time
I agree with P3R. SSD and tiering is overkill to play music and movies. Will provide no benefit. Neither will RAID 10.
Use the forum search feature before posting.
Use RAID and external backups. RAID will protect you from disk failure, keep your system running, and data accessible while the disk is replaced, and the RAID rebuilt. Backups will allow you to recover data that is lost or corrupted, or from system failure. One does not replace the other.
NAS: TVS-882BR | F/W: 5.0.1.2346 | 40GB | 2 x 1TB M.2 SATA RAID 1 (System/VMs) | 3 x 1TB M.2 NMVe QM2-4P-384A RAID 5 (cache) | 5 x 14TB Exos HDD RAID 6 (Data) | 1 x Blu-ray
NAS: TVS-h674 | F/W: 5.0.1.2376 | 16GB | 3 x 18TB RAID 5
Apps: DNSMasq, PLEX, iDrive, QVPN, QLMS, MP3fs, HBS3, Entware, DLstation, VS, +
Use RAID and external backups. RAID will protect you from disk failure, keep your system running, and data accessible while the disk is replaced, and the RAID rebuilt. Backups will allow you to recover data that is lost or corrupted, or from system failure. One does not replace the other.
NAS: TVS-882BR | F/W: 5.0.1.2346 | 40GB | 2 x 1TB M.2 SATA RAID 1 (System/VMs) | 3 x 1TB M.2 NMVe QM2-4P-384A RAID 5 (cache) | 5 x 14TB Exos HDD RAID 6 (Data) | 1 x Blu-ray
NAS: TVS-h674 | F/W: 5.0.1.2376 | 16GB | 3 x 18TB RAID 5
Apps: DNSMasq, PLEX, iDrive, QVPN, QLMS, MP3fs, HBS3, Entware, DLstation, VS, +
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Re: Better to max out available drive slots or add drives over time
Hi, just got to see the latest advice. Thanks a lot. I think based on the comments for my intended use, the TS1277 could be way overkill. I have also considered the TVS873. But I am smitten by the Ryzen CPU and would like to future-proof for up to 7 years. My Netgear Readynas had served me well and still going strong but for 1080p transcoding, which they cannot cope with, nor run Plex.
Based on my intended use and future-proofing, would the capabilities of the Ryzen significantly warrant its selection over the TVS873's CPU? The TS1277 will hopefully be out soon and I have to make a decision to buy that or the TVS873.
Thanks again in advance for your comments and advice. Its been very helpful and enlightening.
Based on my intended use and future-proofing, would the capabilities of the Ryzen significantly warrant its selection over the TVS873's CPU? The TS1277 will hopefully be out soon and I have to make a decision to buy that or the TVS873.
Thanks again in advance for your comments and advice. Its been very helpful and enlightening.
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BTW, my current network is 1Gbe based (Asus RTAC88U) but will be upgrading to cat7 10Gbe with Qnap QSW-1208-8c once its available. Media streaming is the main use, up to 3 streams to 2 TVs and 1x ipad (via cloud). If possible, gaming with GPU pass through, but not critical.