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Fastast 2-bay?

Post by nickepe » Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:41 pm

Hi,
I have a 269 Pro today.
What 2-bay should I buy that can handle 1080p/4K and has a lot of horsepower? How much RAM?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Fastast 2-bay?

Post by Trexx » Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:01 am

Hi Niklas,

Clarify handling 1080p/4k? Via what playback method, what clients, direct HDMI/streaming/trancoding/etc? How many concurrent users? Local or remote?

In terms of the fastest CPU's/Memory, you are generally going to find higher performance options in larger chassis than the 2 bay models (4-6 bays would be more common).

Again though, need more specific details/use case to help determine what class/model QNAP's you should be looking towards.
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Re: Fastast 2-bay?

Post by nickepe » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:09 am

Hi,
I am using my QNAP mainly as tvheadend server and Plex server.
Plex uses transcoding and I can’t use 1080 hd at all with my 269 Pro.
Tvheadend I’m not sure wether it transcoding but I think it just passes the stream forward but I have a lot of epg grabbing, epg handling and recording going on and I see that my 269 is struggling with all processes.

I am using it both locally and remote but mostly locally. Only one user.

I would say I’m not a very demanding user for QNAP NAS so I think it should be enough with a 2 bay. Basically what I’m asking is: what is my next step after TS269 Pro with 3 GB RAM?

/Niklas

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Re: Fastast 2-bay?

Post by Trexx » Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:05 am

Thanks for more information Niklas.

What is your TV source for TVHeadend? In the US, the data being recorded is mpeg2 format which is very space consuming, so generally people will have it transcoded to something like h.264 format which is much more space efficient.

To support real-time (on-demand) transcoding of 4k video via Plex current SW transcoding method, you need a CPU with a passmark rating of about 8000, which would put into HW families such as the TVS-x82, TS-x77 families which all start at 4-bay or higher models.

The other option is to push more of the "heavy lifting" onto the client and use a more full-featured set-top box/etc. with your QNAP which then takes alot of the load off Plex. This is going to be a less expensive option most likely.

Some of the smaller QNAP models do have embedded HW support for 4k, but that is going to be limited to certain QNAP applications and not necessarily available to all applications.

The "beefiest" 2-bay QNAP model available right now is going to be the TS-253B. https://www.qnap.com/en/product/ts-253b One big advantage is that it offers a PCIe slot for future expansion capabilities.
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Re: Fastast 2-bay?

Post by nickepe » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:24 pm

Thank you for sharing!
At first glance the TS-251+ also looks to have a nice CPU, quad-core Intel Celeron 2.0 GHz. Is that slower than 253’s CPU?

Except the number of connections, what would I miss on 251+ that 253B have? It is a price difference of $340 with 8 GB RAM in Sweden. I can’t see any obvious interior advantages if I haven’t missed any important differences about the CPU speed. Graphic card? Anything else?

And what about TS-253A?

How important is RAM, should I have greater model with 4 or a smaller with 8? I.e. if you would choose between these, which one would you have picked:
TS-251+, 8 GB RAM ($540)
TS-253A, 4 GB RAM ($470)
TS-253B, 4 GB RAM ($720)

/Niklas

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Re: Fastast 2-bay

Post by sanke1 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:49 pm

nickepe wrote:Thank you for sharing!
At first glance the TS-251+ also looks to have a nice CPU, quad-core Intel Celeron 2.0 GHz. Is that slower than 253’s CPU?
/Niklas


I have TS-251+ and TS-253B and a TS-653B as well.

TS-x53B supports HEVC hardware decoding. It’s CPU+GPU is slightly faster than the other two.

I purchased a fake Intel X540-T2 for $99 from eBay and installed it inside both TS-x53Bs and I also installed $99 ASUS XG-C100C 10 Gigabit PCIe card in my PC. I get between 300-400 MBps (2.4-3.2 Gbps) sequential transfer speed. I am using Seagate IronWolf 4TB drives. I use 8 port Netgear 10GBE switch the 200NAS model name.

Cons of TS-x53B series.
1.They are too costly. With this price, they should have included 10gbe by default.
2. Construction is cheap plastic which I broke both the enclosures on Day1. Even after being extra careful.
3. Camera restrictions and licensing issues.

I don’t care about transcoding/hardware decoding on NAS. I have my LG OLED connected to my home network. So I use Qvideo app and chose to stream the shared video file to LG WebOS TV and boom! TV starts playing and pushes sound to Denon receiver using HDMI ARC. TV decodes H265/H264/DTS-HD MA/AC3/DD
Since LG OLED6 does not decode ATMOS and DD+, I avoid those formats.

This is the way how NAS should be used for entertainment . A dumb media supplier device.

RAM more than 4GB is important only if you are into virtualisation and have multiple VMs running simultaneously. But don’t do that because the CPU on these NASes is ** poor to do the job. It will get the job done for 1 VM but the experience will be suboptimal.

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Re: Fastast 2-bay?

Post by Toxic17 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:51 pm

just a compare side by side of some 2 bay nas's

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Re: Fastast 2-bay

Post by MotorN » Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:46 pm

sanke1 wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:49 pm
nickepe wrote:Thank you for sharing!
At first glance the TS-251+ also looks to have a nice CPU, quad-core Intel Celeron 2.0 GHz. Is that slower than 253’s CPU?
/Niklas
I have TS-251+ and TS-253B and a TS-653B as well.

TS-x53B supports HEVC hardware decoding. It’s CPU+GPU is slightly faster than the other two.

I purchased a fake Intel X540-T2 for $99 from eBay and installed it inside both TS-x53Bs and I also installed $99 ASUS XG-C100C 10 Gigabit PCIe card in my PC. I get between 300-400 MBps (2.4-3.2 Gbps) sequential transfer speed. I am using Seagate IronWolf 4TB drives. I use 8 port Netgear 10GBE switch the 200NAS model name.

Cons of TS-x53B series.
1.They are too costly. With this price, they should have included 10gbe by default.
2. Construction is cheap plastic which I broke both the enclosures on Day1. Even after being extra careful.
3. Camera restrictions and licensing issues.

I don’t care about transcoding/hardware decoding on NAS. I have my LG OLED connected to my home network. So I use Qvideo app and chose to stream the shared video file to LG WebOS TV and boom! TV starts playing and pushes sound to Denon receiver using HDMI ARC. TV decodes H265/H264/DTS-HD MA/AC3/DD
Since LG OLED6 does not decode ATMOS and DD+, I avoid those formats.

This is the way how NAS should be used for entertainment . A dumb media supplier device.

RAM more than 4GB is important only if you are into virtualisation and have multiple VMs running simultaneously. But don’t do that because the CPU on these NASes is ** poor to do the job. It will get the job done for 1 VM but the experience will be suboptimal.
Are you still running the X540-T2 in the TS-x53Bs? I tried a Dell card in the TS-253D with no luck.

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