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TS-1677XU-RP vs Ts-1677x

Post by firestream » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:59 pm

Hi.

Just wonder why the official benchmark for both product as topic is showing different sequential throughput despite both is using Ryzen and same 10G NICs.


https://www.qnap.com/en/product/ts-1677x

https://www.qnap.com/en/product/ts-1677xu-rp

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Re: TS-1677XU-RP vs Ts-1677x

Post by Trexx » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:03 pm

Qnap lists the configuration used for benchmarks below the charts. Different benchmark configurations.


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Re: TS-1677XU-RP vs Ts-1677x

Post by Bob Zelin » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:21 am

Hi firestream
the TS-1677X is a 12 bay. The TS-1677XU-RP is a 16 bay. The TS-1677X comes with dual port 10Gbase-T ports. The TS-1677XU-RP comes with dual port Mellanox SFP+ 10G ports.
The TS-1677XU-RP will outperform the TS-1677X.

Confused by all the weird, similar numbers ? Welcome to the club. So are we, and we do this all day long.

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Re: TS-1677XU-RP vs Ts-1677x

Post by firestream » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:13 pm

yes.. very confused on the performance benchmark

If you look at the SMB performance below, the TS-1677X outperform TS-1677XU-RP.

https://www.qnap.com/en/product_x_perfo ... oal_csn=10
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Re: TS-1677XU-RP vs Ts-1677x

Post by dolbyman » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:00 pm

as trexx already said..they used different disk models for the tests

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Re: TS-1677XU-RP vs Ts-1677x

Post by firestream » Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:51 pm

Thanks.

Wonder whether Qnap support the new Ryzen 2

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Re: TS-1677XU-RP vs Ts-1677x

Post by sonnsterr » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:17 am

firestream wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:51 pm
Thanks.

Wonder whether Qnap support the new Ryzen 2
Nope they do not...:(
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Re: TS-1677XU-RP vs Ts-1677x

Post by firestream » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:13 pm

sonnsterr wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:17 am
firestream wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:51 pm
Thanks.

Wonder whether Qnap support the new Ryzen 2
Nope they do not...:(
Sorry my bad. I should say Ryzen 3 , ie Ryzen 7 - 3700X .

Ryzen 2 is supported , ie Ryzen 7 - 2700

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Re: TS-1677XU-RP vs Ts-1677x

Post by Trexx » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:57 pm

No they do not and will not.

Any potential Ryzen 3x00 support would come in the form of a new model if/when Qnap decides to go there. This comes from a contact in Qnap.


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QTier (HDD): [RAID-5] 6 x 3TB HGST DeskStar NAS QTier (SSD): [RAID-1] 2 x 1TB WD Blue m.2's
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Model: TVS-673 32GB FW: 4.4.1.x Test/Backup Box
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Re: TS-1677XU-RP vs Ts-1677x

Post by sonnsterr » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:56 am

firestream wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:13 pm
sonnsterr wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:17 am
firestream wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:51 pm
Thanks.

Wonder whether Qnap support the new Ryzen 2
Nope they do not...:(
Sorry my bad. I should say Ryzen 3 , ie Ryzen 7 - 3700X .

Ryzen 2 is supported , ie Ryzen 7 - 2700
Ryzen 7-2700 isn't supported either by Qnap but it can be done on your own with a BIOS Update :)
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Re: TS-1677XU-RP vs Ts-1677x

Post by Oasis Global » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:46 am

New to the forum here (and not an I.T. guy). I was first looking at getting a 1677x, but have settled on getting the 1677XU-RP (On Bob Z's historical comment somewhere)

Just wondering if anyone has a guess on whether I can use a bundle of these Western Digital Ultrastar drives HC530 14tb?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KPL474H/?c ... _lig_dp_it
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PPQTT5P/?c ... _lig_dp_it

I know...I know... my risk, buyer beware, not formally on the QNAP compatibility list. It's just those drives seem to be a great value... I'm open to any feedback on not using these drives too.... I'd be looking at doing a RAID 6 configuration. (I'm not well versed on raid either). This will be for two (at most 3) video editors.... Noise not an issue. Going to be hooking this up to the QNAP 12 port switch via sfp+...

Haven't decided whether to go SFP+ cable & adapter from video-editing workstation to the switch... But if the editors won't notice the latency??

Many thx in advance for feedback (+ or -ve)

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Re: TS-1677XU-RP vs Ts-1677x

Post by firestream » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:27 pm

sonnsterr wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:56 am
firestream wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:13 pm
sonnsterr wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:17 am
firestream wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:51 pm
Thanks.

Wonder whether Qnap support the new Ryzen 2
Nope they do not...:(
Sorry my bad. I should say Ryzen 3 , ie Ryzen 7 - 3700X .

Ryzen 2 is supported , ie Ryzen 7 - 2700
Ryzen 7-2700 isn't supported either by Qnap but it can be done on your own with a BIOS Update :)
https://www.amazon.com/TS-1677XU-RP-270 ... way&sr=8-1

The dealer are selling this model with Ryzen7-2700 so I guess it's officially supported.

15% IPC different between Ryzen 2700 vs 3700. I am surprised what took Qnap that long to jump into the heat wave.

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Re: TS-1677XU-RP vs Ts-1677x

Post by Bob Zelin » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:09 pm

Hello Oasis Global -
there is a lot of "over analysis" going on here. I started to use the TS-1677XU-RP when I saw the writing on the wall that the TVS-EC1680U-SAS-RP was being discontinued. Of course, soon after the release of the TS-1677XU-RP, the TS-1683XU-RP came out (same box, but Intel Xeon instead). With that said, the TS-1677XU-RP is a fantastic product, and can easily handle multiple editors all running 10G, all doing 4K editing. I almost NEVER EVER use the Mellanox SFP+ 10G ports, and almost 100% of the time install the QNAP LAN-10G2T-X550 card in both the TS-1677XU-RP and the TS-1683XU-RP (and I would do this in the past with the TVS-EC1680U as well). Even in the few times I have used the SFP+ Mellanox port to go to the 10G switch (always a Netgear XS series) - I have NEVER EVER EVER use SFP+ cards or thunderbolt to SFP+ 10G adaptors, that go to an SFP+ switch with transceivers and fiber cables. The ONLY time I have ever done this is if there is a remote workstation in another building, and it exceeds a 100 meter Cat6a cable connection. Everyone is so nutty with "bad latency from copper 10Gbase-T" - and that is just wrong information in 2019. Modern 10Gbase-T (copper Cat 6 or Cat6a cables) work great. They are reliable, and they cause no issues, or latency issues with video editing.
It's funny because I see the complains on forums that might say "oh, this QNAP is garbage - I am getting stuttering - I should have used fiber". And ultimately, these users almost always are running Premiere, and trying to edit with native h.264 footage from a GoPro or DJI Drone camera, and it's not until I scream at them to transcode to a normal codec, that they see that everything works. People love blaming the QNAP (or other shared storage systems) for everything - and refuse to take responsibility for the limitations of different editing software, with their unique limitations. Similar to Photographers that blame the QNAP for not being able to save an Adobe Lightroom Catalog (which is strictly an Adobe limitation to any network volume) or the common
problem with Adobe Photoshop not being able to save to the same file on a shared volume, but always saves with "Save As". Let's just blame QNAP (or anyone else but Adobe).

As your your drive selection, save yourself some money, and get Seagate Ironwolf 7200 RPM drives. Their reliability has been excellent (although there is absolutely nothing wrong with WD RED or Seagate EXOS drives).

As for compatibility of the drives - this is my advice to you. I did an installation of a QNAP TVS-EC2480U-SAS-RP-R2 about a year ago. Against my advice, the engineer at this company decided to go with top of the line WD SAS drives that were NOT on the compatibility list that QNAP shows on their website. Well, the drives would not appear in the QTS interface, even though they were "almost the same" as what was on the QNAP approved list. I called QNAP, and their only response was "they are not compatible with the QNAP product". The engineer was livid - "what I am supposed to do now with these expensive 24 SAS drives !!!". My advice - don't turn this into a science project. This is a very simple installation, and if you start to experiment, all thats going to happen is you will come back to this forum, crying "I HATE QNAP".

Just my 2 cents.
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Re: TS-1677XU-RP vs Ts-1677x

Post by sonnsterr » Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:25 am

firestream wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:27 pm
sonnsterr wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:56 am
firestream wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:13 pm
sonnsterr wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:17 am
firestream wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:51 pm
Thanks.

Wonder whether Qnap support the new Ryzen 2
Nope they do not...:(
Sorry my bad. I should say Ryzen 3 , ie Ryzen 7 - 3700X .

Ryzen 2 is supported , ie Ryzen 7 - 2700
Ryzen 7-2700 isn't supported either by Qnap but it can be done on your own with a BIOS Update :)
https://www.amazon.com/TS-1677XU-RP-270 ... way&sr=8-1

The dealer are selling this model with Ryzen7-2700 so I guess it's officially supported.

15% IPC different between Ryzen 2700 vs 3700. I am surprised what took Qnap that long to jump into the heat wave.
It's a rackmount NAS, We do not have any desktop NAS with Ryzen 2 that's supported....< From QNAP....
QNAP TS-1677X 1700 RAM 64G

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Re: TS-1677XU-RP vs Ts-1677x

Post by firestream » Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:44 pm

Any idea TS-1677XU-RP support Kingston KC2000 with QM2-4P-384 card? The price is very reasonable for 1TB x 4 as SSD cache or Q-tier but it is probably too new to be included into the compatible list.

https://www.storagereview.com/kingston_ ... ssd_review

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