TS-451 memory upgrade (compatibility)

[jw15851]

16GB SUCCESS! on the TS-451 Works Great So Far.

I just upgraded my memory, booted, and it immediately recognized the additional memory. This will help with virtualization. I purchased this kit here:
http://amzn.com/B007B5S52C Crucial 16GB Kit (8GBx2) DDR3-1600 MT/s (PC3-12800) 204-Pin SODIMM Notebook Memory CT2KIT102464BF160B / CT2CP102464BF160B

I'm not sure why they are reporting the maximum memory is 8GB. Will be doing further testing, but so far so good.

[schumaku]

I'm not sure why they are reporting the maximum memory is 8GB.

I am: Because this is the limit as specified by Intel - as mentioned several times in the forum already.

TS-x51/HS-251 - Intel ARK: Intel Celeron J1800
TS-x53 - Intel ARK: Intel Celeron J1900

Memory Specifications
Max Memory Size (dependent on memory type*) 8 GB

*Max Memory Size (dependent on memory type)
Max memory size refers to the maximum memory capacity (in GB) supported by the processor

I don't know if it's a Visualisation Station or memory management unit limitation ... you can't use more than 8 GB for a single VM if I have it right. And I don't care - because it's not supported, and I doubt QNAP will raise the limit for the above reasons.

[buggy82]

16GB Success on TS-651

using
2x Crucial 8GB DDR3(L) 1600 SODIMM 1.35V CL11 CT102464BF160B

Working fine. Did test memory adresses between 8GB-16GB by running multiple big VMs. No problems occured.

Is Intel trying to fool its customers, or did the Linux kernel guys find a way to circumvent this limitation (some virtual registers kind of stuff)?

Exchanging it was really easy. You don´t even have to pull out our HDDs like shown in some YouTube Videos. Just unscrew 3 screws in the back, pull back the cover, look at the outside of the board for the RAMs. The board is secured with a transparent plastic cover having cuts at the RAM socket location, so you don´t need to unscrew the board screws - especially not the one with the QNAP Quality Seal.

Regards,
buggy82

[schumaku]

1) Any reason to get a single 8gb module vs. two 4gb modules?

The other way round - two modules allow the system to use two memory channels - so blunt theory, the performance (for both the CPU and the GPU reserved DRAM) is higher.

2) What is the maximum speed? According to http://files.qnap.com/news/pressresourc ... 608-RS.pdf it is 1333, but the QNAP replacement http://shop.qnap.com/index.php?route=pr ... uct_id=131 is a single 1600 module.

Most likely a question of availability any costs - 1600 MHz modules are much more common, and available at lower prices.

My TS-451 does run the pair of Kingston KVR16LS11/4 (PC12600/1600 MHz capable) modules at 1333 MHz on QTS 4.2 20150617 (public beta):

[~] # dmidecode --type memory
# dmidecode 2.9
SMBIOS 2.8 present.

Handle 0x0028, DMI type 16, 23 bytes
Physical Memory Array
Location: System Board Or Motherboard
Use: System Memory
Error Correction Type: None
Maximum Capacity: 64 GB
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Number Of Devices: 2

Handle 0x002A, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0028
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Total Width: 64 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 4096 MB
Form Factor: DIMM
Set: None
Locator: A1_DIMM0
Bank Locator: A1_BANK0
Type: <OUT OF SPEC>
Type Detail: Unknown
Speed: 1333 MHz (0.8 ns)
Manufacturer: Kingston
Serial Number: 3326DB54
Asset Tag: A1_AssetTagNum0
Part Number: 99U5469-044.A00LF

Handle 0x002C, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0028
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Total Width: 64 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 4096 MB
Form Factor: DIMM
Set: None
Locator: A1_DIMM1
Bank Locator: A1_BANK1
Type: <OUT OF SPEC>
Type Detail: Unknown
Speed: 1333 MHz (0.8 ns)
Manufacturer: Kingston
Serial Number: 3926E254
Asset Tag: A1_AssetTagNum1
Part Number: 99U5469-044.A00LF

[procoder]

Do you need two 8GB module http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007B5S52C/ref=cm_sw_su_dp or one is enough??

Regards
procoder

[ws1088]

I bought a 453mini and tried 2 different set of 2x8gb and both sets fail to boot.
Should I return it and get 453pro?

[schumaku]

I bought a 453mini and tried 2 different set of 2x8gb and both sets fail to boot.

What kind of sets - make, model, types ...?

[ws1088]

One set is PNY DDR3 1600Mhz CL11.
The other set is Crucial DDR3 1600Mhz CL11 1.35v or 1.5v unbuffered non-ECC CT2K8G3S160BM

[vito-kat]

Just was able to upgrade my TS-853 with 2x8Gb CMSO8GX3M1C1600C11 running like a baby

[occamsrazor]

Upgraded mine to 8GB with Crucial CT2CP51264BF160B (2x4GB kit) and worked fine.

[Ron1963]

Upgraded mine to 8GB with Crucial CT2CP51264BF160B (2x4GB kit) and worked fine.

There is also a ....160BJ 2x4GB kit. This also works in my 251.

[_Cosmin_]

Hello,

Did anyone who claims that 2x8Gb KVR16LS11 ram works... fully tested them?
It is possible for system to see all but not being able to access it all... so, can someone try to fill up more than 8gb in a virtual machine?

1) I`ve contact Intel and they reply:

Thank you for your email. The Max Memory Size specification on the ARK site refers to total memory size. You can see more detailed memory information in the product datasheet:
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ ... sheet.html
There, in chapter 4.1 is:

"There are 64 GB (36-bits) of physical address space that can be used as: • Memory Mapped IO (MMIO – IO fabric) • Physical Memory (DRAM)
The CPU core can access the full physical address space, while downstream devices can only access processor DRAM, and each CPU core’s local APIC.
Peer-to-peer transactions are not supported. Most devices map their registers and memory to the physical address space."

So i can't find any limitation to 8Gb ram as they say on ark site....

2) I`ve contact Kingston and here is their reply:

"Thank you for contacting Kingston Technology.
Please note that to date we have only tested the 4GB memory module in this system and we are unable to guarantee that an 8GB module will work in this system.
As a result, we can not suggest any 8GB memory upgrades for this system.
We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause."

[bnevis]

Adding this comment just in case others come across it in a Google search... I can't speak for the 451, but I as well as at least one other has had problems with the Crucial memory (CRUCIAL CT51264BF160B) in my TS-453 Pro (Intel-based) See thread about "dashboard resource monitor not working." My problem was resolved by switching to the Kingston equivalent.

[schumaku]

Adding this comment just in case others come across it in a Google search... I can't speak for the 451, but I as well as at least one other has had problems with the Crucial memory (CRUCIAL CT51264BF160B) in my TS-453 Pro (Intel-based) See thread about "dashboard resource monitor not working." My problem was resolved by switching to the Kingston equivalent.

Does the system information show up complete - or do you see these data like "Total memory" or detailed "Memory Slots" information incomplete, resp. marked "--" or "(-- / --)"?

System Information - Memory Issues.PNG

[bnevis]

Does the system information show up complete - or do you see these data like "Total memory" or detailed "Memory Slots" information incomplete, resp. marked "--" or "(-- / --)"?

Yes, it appears complete in my case (this particular memory with this particular model).

sysinfo.png