TS-451 memory upgrade (compatibility)

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Re: TS-451 memory upgrade (compatibility)

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NassyMcNasface wrote:I'm on TS-451+, not sure why other people get max 64gb with dmidecode, but I show max 8gb.
FWIW: The TS-x53A dmidecode here does show a max of 8 GB, too (as per the Inhell specs) - but the units works on 16 GB like a charm.
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Re: TS-451 memory upgrade (compatibility)

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Ayyyy :mrgreen:

That's reassuring. Thanks schumaku :)
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The official kigston website also has recommended RAM model for each NAS model too.
http://www.kingston.com/en/memory/searc ... odel=94192
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Re: TS-451 memory upgrade (compatibility)

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Confirm that Crucial CT51264BF160BJ 2x4Gb works well!
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Not sure if this is correct forum, but TS-451A doesn't boot with Kingston KVR16LS11/8. Neither with 2 nor with 1 module.
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JohnD11 wrote:Not sure if this is correct forum, but TS-451A doesn't boot with Kingmax KVR16LS11/8. Neither with 2 nor with 1 module.
Valuable report, thank you. Community experience on TS-x51A DRAM update is limited ... but then, when mentioning KVR16LS11 we're commonly talk of Kingston.
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yes. Kingston of course. edited
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TS-253A Crucial 8GB CT102464BF160B works

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In my two QNAP TS-253A units, memory Crucial 8GB DDR3L 1600 MHz (PC3-12800) CL11 SODIMM 204pin 1.35V CT102464BF160B works perfectly.

One 8 GB works alone and 2x 8 GB works also. Memory is reported and tested correctly. For 8 GB configuration, my VM can get up to 6,5 GB RAM, as expected. Of course: as manual says you can not use different sized memory if 2 memory banks are used.

Note: most sellers in my country advertise this memory as DDR3, so do not let that confuse you. If part no. is CT102464BF160B then it is DDR3L meaning 1.35V and works.
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Just successful upgraded my TS-451 to 16GB I used 2 8GB Samsung Modules :
M471B1G73DB0-YK0
QNAP TS-451, Version 5.0.0.1891, 4x 2TB Raid 5
QNAP TS-410, Version 4.2.6, 3x 2TB 1x 6TB JBOD
Conceptronic CH3SNAS, Running ALT-F Releases / 0.1RC4.1, 2x 1TB
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TS-451+
2x Crucial 8GB Single DDR3L 1600 MT/s (PC3L-12800) SODIMM 204-Pin Laptop Memory (CT102464BF160B) - less than $40 each on Amazon

4.2.2 and 4.3.2.0050 beta build 20170104 recognize 16 GB

System Information
Memory Slots 2 (8 GB / 8 GB)

Hardware Information
Total memory 16 GB (15.54 GB usable)
Free memory 13.68 GB
Memory slot 1 (Channel A, DIMM 1) 8 GB (Crucial Technology)
Memory slot 2 (Channel B, DIMM 2) 8 GB (Crucial Technology)

I have not exceeded 8 GB of use so I'm not sure if the 2nd 8 GB works properly.
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Are you guys assuming that the motherboard has a dual channel memory controller because it has two slots, or have you gotten confirmation from QNAP engineers. FYI: two SODIMM slots does not necessarily mean it's a dual channel MB. Usually a MB manufacturer will use two different colored slots to denote that it has a dual channel controller onboard.

If in fact the northbridge does have a dual channel memory controller then it's important to use a matched set (kit) of DRAM because the manufacturer packages similarly performing modules for the fastest possible speed.

If in fact it's not a dual channel memory controller then the fastest speed is obtainable with a configuration utilizing the least number of modules/memory chips, as the increased number of electronic components increases resistance on the memory bus thus slowing performance. For instance: two 512MB chips on a memory module is worse, slows performance, rather than one 1GB chip on the module. So at any given module size, the modules with the least number of chips are the fastest modules.

So if it's not in fact a dual channel memory controller, then one 8GB module with the least number of memory chips will perform the best (fastest), also creating less heat (less current load), which in fact equates to less wear and tear on motherboard components.

So I was wondering if anyone knows for 'certain' that the TS-451 MB has a dual channel memory controller onboard?
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JoBrCoGB wrote: FYI: two SODIMM slots does not necessarily mean it's a dual channel MB. Usually a MB manufacturer will use two different colored slots to denote that it has a dual channel controller onboard.
Multiple colours are used in case of multiple pairs of slots. There is not even a standard ... same colors may either indicate that the sockets belong to the same channel (pairs should be installed to differently colored slots) or they may be used to indicate that pairs should be installed to the same color (each socket of the same color belongs to a different channel). With just two slots ... figure. Alternate approach are silk printed numbers btw., too. Historically, there had been other resons for multiple slots ... ie. module data width of 8, 16, or 32 bits only, where multiple slots had ben used to reach 32 or 64 bit...
JoBrCoGB wrote:So I was wondering if anyone knows for 'certain' that the TS-451 MB has a dual channel memory controller onboard?
Can't see any reason that an SoC (this is what the J1800/J1900 are) with two memory channels should not be implemented with two memory channels. Based on the reuirement to install the same modules in both slots and based on the dmidecode output, please take your own conclusions. My TS-451 does run the pair of Kingston KVR16LS11/4 (PC12600/1600 MHz capable) modules:

[~] # dmidecode --type memory
# dmidecode 2.9
SMBIOS 2.8 present.

Handle 0x0028, DMI type 16, 23 bytes
Physical Memory Array
Location: System Board Or Motherboard
Use: System Memory
Error Correction Type: None
Maximum Capacity: 64 GB
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Number Of Devices: 2

Handle 0x002A, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0028
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Total Width: 64 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 4096 MB
Form Factor: DIMM
Set: None
Locator: A1_DIMM0
Bank Locator: A1_BANK0
Type: <OUT OF SPEC>
Type Detail: Unknown
Speed: 1333 MHz (0.8 ns)
Manufacturer: Kingston
Serial Number: 3326DB54
Asset Tag: A1_AssetTagNum0
Part Number: 99U5469-044.A00LF

Handle 0x002C, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0028
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Total Width: 64 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 4096 MB
Form Factor: DIMM
Set: None
Locator: A1_DIMM1
Bank Locator: A1_BANK1
Type: <OUT OF SPEC>
Type Detail: Unknown
Speed: 1333 MHz (0.8 ns)
Manufacturer: Kingston
Serial Number: 3926E254
Asset Tag: A1_AssetTagNum1
Part Number: 99U5469-044.A00LF
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Thank you for your time, as for most of us, it's the one thing that, in the end, we want more of.

My point was 'knowledge' based on facts versus 'belief' based on 'assumption.' As far a them saying:

"When installing two memory modules, please ensure that they are the same size and ideally use the same type of RAM for both memory slots."

I learned all about such possible ploys at university during "Intro to Business" class, where I found business ethics to be quite inferior to mine. It starts with allusion, and if challenged, plausible deniability. Like, 'an equal resistive load requirement on both slots due to power supply architecture longevity.'

I mean, why exclude touting another perk, among a plethora of others that have been touted, that are 'all' solid selling points, for those in the know, to secure a sale?

I want and expect, no allusions, "Just the facts man, just the facts!"
No swamp land for me, my friend! As ignorance is never bliss! ;-)

So I'm wondering if anyone on the QNAP company payroll is willing to state emphatically, that in fact the TS-451 MB has a 'dual channel memory controller' onboard?

Does anyone 'know?'

P.S. One also has to wonder why they, themselves, sell a single 8GB module to max out the TS-451!

As of yet I've not seen any QNAP supplied datasheet's, whitepaper's or schematics :-D referencing the TS-451's MB components, which is what I'm used to seeing. ;-)
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JoBrCoGB wrote:So I'm wondering if anyone on the QNAP company payroll is willing to state emphatically, that in fact the TS-451 MB has a 'dual channel memory controller' onboard?
Wrong channel. This is a community forum. You talk to other QNAP onwers and users, not to QNAP here.

There is neither an external northbridge nor a dedicated memory controller: Each TS-451 is build based on a J1800 SoC, which has two memory channels. In 10+ years with multiple NAS barnds/makers, I've neither seen a single product review talking about missing internals nor any complaints o the memory performance.
JoBrCoGB wrote:As of yet I've not seen any QNAP supplied datasheet's, whitepaper's or schematics referencing the TS-451's MB components, which is what I'm used to seeing.
QNAP does - like many other makers of embedded and NAS systems - not publish any internals of their hardware designs.
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QNAP hardware PM confirmed the TS-451 does make use of the two memory channels for the two slots.
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