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Re: HBS 3 Hybrid Backup Sync 3.0.190829 (2019/08/29) Released

Post by Toxic17 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:45 pm

alokeprasad wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:34 am
I edited my job (changed the start time) and QuDedup option was still greyed out.Not enabled. No change.
Maybe because I don't have any SSD's? It says that an x86 based system w SSD is recommended for Qudedup.

I formatted my USB drive a few days ago and started over. Thus the short history of past backups.
QuDedup can only be set/enabled at the initial setup of the backup job, since once the backup job has been created or run, the format of the backups would be totally different.
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Re: HBS 3 Hybrid Backup Sync 3.0.190829 (2019/08/29) Released

Post by P3R » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:04 pm

alokeprasad wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:34 am
I edited my job (changed the start time) and QuDedup option was still greyed out.Not enabled. No change.
Yes I remembered wrong, sorry about that. Existing jobs work will still be possible to save without QuDedup.

New versioned backup jobs can't be created without QuDedup. At least I can't.
RAID have never ever been a replacement for backups. Without backups on a different system (preferably placed at another site), you will eventually lose data!

A non-RAID configuration (including RAID 0, which isn't really RAID) with a backup on a separate media protects your data far better than any RAID-volume without backup.

All data storage consists of both the primary storage and the backups. It's your money and your data, spend the storage budget wisely or pay with your data!

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Re: HBS 3 Hybrid Backup Sync 3.0.190829 (2019/08/29) Released

Post by alokeprasad » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:27 pm

Do you recommend that I create a new job (so that I can enable QuDedup) when backing up my NAS to the attached USB drive?
Isn't de-duping the content of the NAS a good thing?
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Re: HBS 3 Hybrid Backup Sync 3.0.190829 (2019/08/29) Released

Post by P3R » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:25 pm

alokeprasad wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:27 pm
Do you recommend that I create a new job (so that I can enable QuDedup) when backing up my NAS to the attached USB drive?
I don't make any recommendations about that as the decision depend only on your situation, needs and feelings about it.
Isn't de-duping the content of the NAS a good thing?
It's very good if you need deduplication (those with good control of what data they store and where often don't and then it may slow backups down) and don't mind using a proprietary backup format. Qnap offer a Win/Mac/Linux extract tool which is good. But what if a future version of those tools have a bug or don't work on the OS you prefer? What if a single bit-flip in the backup file make it unreadable? Yes you could wait 7 weeks for Qnap to analyze the issue and release a fixed extract tool but not everyone can afford to wait for that. As far as I know the backup format isn't documented so what should you do with your backup if Qnap should go out of business or maybe more likely decide to not support QuDedup any more in say 5 years?

I know that most other backup software have proprietary backup formats as well but that doesn't make it any better and I still don't like it. I've had customers come to me with their backups and asked me to restore it only to realize that the backup was unreadable. I didn't feel well about that and it was still much worse for those customers.

QuDedup is awful if you very much like the non-proprietary standard file system backup that up until now have been a trademark and excellent advantage of Qnap backup solutions. The huge benefit with a standard file system is that it is extremely easy to manage (any file management tool can be used), doesn't come with vendor lock-in, is easy to verify that the backup is restoreable, and is usually very well tried and tested by many different people not affiliated to a single manufacturer. A bit-flip usually only result in a read-error and limited damage.

My only but huge problem with QuDedup is that it's forced on the users. If it was optional (even if being the default) when using versioning I wouldn't mind. It would have been a great addition as many (probably even a majority?) of the users want backup deduplication.
RAID have never ever been a replacement for backups. Without backups on a different system (preferably placed at another site), you will eventually lose data!

A non-RAID configuration (including RAID 0, which isn't really RAID) with a backup on a separate media protects your data far better than any RAID-volume without backup.

All data storage consists of both the primary storage and the backups. It's your money and your data, spend the storage budget wisely or pay with your data!

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Re: HBS 3 Hybrid Backup Sync 3.0.190829 (2019/08/29) Released

Post by alokeprasad » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:25 am

I confirmed that a new BU job had QuDedup selected (and greyed out, so that it could not be changed).

I did not realize that this would make the files unreadable without the Qnap's Qudedup extract tool!! I'll stay with the old defined BU job as I don't expect much space or time saving for incremental versioned backups over the USB to an attached HD. Good thing I read this thread.
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Re: HBS 3 Hybrid Backup Sync 3.0.190829 (2019/08/29) Released

Post by jochemla » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:46 pm

Hi all,
I have a problem using rsync with HBS3 for transferring files from one NAS (Synology) TO a QNAP TS-332X. I cannot find where to enable the rsync synchronization feature in HBS 3 on the QNAP (as shown in nascompares video here on HBS 2: https://youtu.be/IjuEEOARmd4?t=267 ). Do you think the rsync feature disappeared in HBS3 (that it can be used to sync "from qnap" using rsync but not "to qnap" using rsync)?
If needed, I can open a separate post. Thanks a lot for your help, Jonathan

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Re: HBS 3 Hybrid Backup Sync 3.0.190829 (2019/08/29) Released

Post by P3R » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:20 pm

jochemla wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:46 pm
Do you think the rsync feature disappeared in HBS3 (that it can be used to sync "from qnap" using rsync but not "to qnap" using rsync)?
No. You enable the Rsync server in the NAS here:
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RAID have never ever been a replacement for backups. Without backups on a different system (preferably placed at another site), you will eventually lose data!

A non-RAID configuration (including RAID 0, which isn't really RAID) with a backup on a separate media protects your data far better than any RAID-volume without backup.

All data storage consists of both the primary storage and the backups. It's your money and your data, spend the storage budget wisely or pay with your data!

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Re: HBS 3 Hybrid Backup Sync 3.0.190829 (2019/08/29) Released

Post by jochemla » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:47 pm

P3R wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:20 pm
You enable the Rsync server in the NAS here
I missed it, Thanks a lot!

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Re: HBS 3 Hybrid Backup Sync 3.0.190829 (2019/08/29) Released

Post by lexvo » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:47 am

spacesimon wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:30 pm

I did get a reply from support saying HBS3 is still Beta when I questioned being forced to use QuDedup. So not sure whose pushed the publish button at Qnap.
I got the same response from support (HBS3 still beta) when I filed a ticket. For this reason I'm still using Backup Station.
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Re: HBS 3 Hybrid Backup Sync 3.0.190829 (2019/08/29) Released

Post by itsmarcos » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:11 pm

lexvo wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:47 am
spacesimon wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:30 pm

I did get a reply from support saying HBS3 is still Beta when I questioned being forced to use QuDedup. So not sure whose pushed the publish button at Qnap.
I got the same response from support (HBS3 still beta) when I filed a ticket. For this reason I'm still using Backup Station.
For the record, I did not get such response (HBS3 still in beta) from support on a ticket I opened a week ago.

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Re: HBS 3 Hybrid Backup Sync 3.0.190829 (2019/08/29) Released

Post by P3R » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:49 pm

lexvo wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:47 am
spacesimon wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:30 pm

I did get a reply from support saying HBS3 is still Beta when I questioned being forced to use QuDedup. So not sure whose pushed the publish button at Qnap.
I got the same response from support (HBS3 still beta) when I filed a ticket. For this reason I'm still using Backup Station.
WTF!

QTS 4.4.1 is still in beta testing but tell them that the HBS 3 beta effectively ended the same second that someone at Qnap decided it was a brilliant idea to publish it as a recommended update being pushed out to everyone through App Center! :evil:

Edit: QTS 4.4.1 was still in beta when I wrote the above but 12 hours or so later even that was released.
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A non-RAID configuration (including RAID 0, which isn't really RAID) with a backup on a separate media protects your data far better than any RAID-volume without backup.

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Re: HBS 3 Hybrid Backup Sync 3.0.190829 (2019/08/29) Released

Post by P3R » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:55 pm

itsmarcos wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:11 pm
For the record, I did not get such response (HBS3 still in beta) from support on a ticket I opened a week ago.
Me neither.
RAID have never ever been a replacement for backups. Without backups on a different system (preferably placed at another site), you will eventually lose data!

A non-RAID configuration (including RAID 0, which isn't really RAID) with a backup on a separate media protects your data far better than any RAID-volume without backup.

All data storage consists of both the primary storage and the backups. It's your money and your data, spend the storage budget wisely or pay with your data!

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Re: HBS 3 Hybrid Backup Sync 3.0.190829 (2019/08/29) Released

Post by MrGeeDub » Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:49 am

Hi. If I backup to Google Drive using the Client-side encryption option, will I be able to restore my data in the event of something catastrophic happening to my NAS?

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Re: HBS 3 Hybrid Backup Sync 3.0.190829 (2019/08/29) Released

Post by danielgarza » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:28 pm

Can the rate limit be applied as well for the Storage space rather than for the job? Or add that global option for the storage space account as well?

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Re: HBS 3 Hybrid Backup Sync 3.0.190829 (2019/08/29) Released

Post by P3R » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:34 am

danielgarza wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:28 pm
Can the rate limit be applied as well for the Storage space rather than for the job?
No. But you can rate limit the RTRR and Rsync servers so indirectly it's possible.
Or add that global option for the storage space account as well?
I don't understand that?
RAID have never ever been a replacement for backups. Without backups on a different system (preferably placed at another site), you will eventually lose data!

A non-RAID configuration (including RAID 0, which isn't really RAID) with a backup on a separate media protects your data far better than any RAID-volume without backup.

All data storage consists of both the primary storage and the backups. It's your money and your data, spend the storage budget wisely or pay with your data!

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