How does HBS handle this ?

spikemixture · Post by **spikemixture** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:17 pm

I back up my media from my Qnap to a Synology using Rsync.

I have a 10GBE connection between the 2
Qnap 10.10.10.10 and Syno 10.10.10.17

I also have gigibit connections
Qnap 192.168.1.112 and syno 192.168.1.117

I have about 10 schedule jobs
movies, home videos, other videos, kids etc
What i want to know is what ip is the Qnap using

I can set the Synology to receive on either 10.10.10.17 (10GBE) or 192.168.1.117 (1G)
Obviously i would like the Qnap to send via the 10GBE connection.

How does Qnap decide which ip to send FROM

I have open qnap on 192.168.1.112 and set up jobs

Then I have opened the Qnap on 10.10.10.10 and created a job.
Hard to really tell but it appears a little faster!

Am I dreaming ?
Does it make any difference ?

The reason I ask is am upgrading drives on both boxes. ( and yes I know things are going on in the background)
The syno I had to start from scratch so am copying 28TB from the qnap to the syno.
The speeds are terrible !
It doesn't make any difference if I run 1 job or 6 the speeds hardly change!

I am getting like 5 MB/s at the best and that is from 10.10.10.10 (qnap 10GBE) to 10.10.10.17(Syno 10GBE)

Moogle Stiltzkin · Post by **Moogle Stiltzkin** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:55 pm

spikemixture wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:17 pm I back up my media from my Qnap to a Synology using Rsync.

I have a 10GBE connection between the 2
Qnap 10.10.10.10 and Syno 10.10.10.17

I also have gigibit connections
Qnap 192.168.1.112 and syno 192.168.1.117

I have about 10 schedule jobs
movies, home videos, other videos, kids etc
What i want to know is what ip is the Qnap using

I can set the Synology to receive on either 10.10.10.17 (10GBE) or 192.168.1.117 (1G)
Obviously i would like the Qnap to send via the 10GBE connection.

How does Qnap decide which ip to send FROM

I have open qnap on 192.168.1.112 and set up jobs

Then I have opened the Qnap on 10.10.10.10 and created a job.
Hard to really tell but it appears a little faster!

Am I dreaming ?
Does it make any difference ?

The reason I ask is am upgrading drives on both boxes. ( and yes I know things are going on in the background)
The syno I had to start from scratch so am copying 28TB from the qnap to the syno.
The speeds are terrible !
It doesn't make any difference if I run 1 job or 6 the speeds hardly change!

I am getting like 5 MB/s at the best and that is from 10.10.10.10 (qnap 10GBE) to 10.10.10.17(Syno 10GBE)

does this help?
viewtopic.php?f=182&t=149605

someone was asking how to make the traffic use the 10gbe cables for the transfers.

Toxic17 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:17 pm My understanding is, if the 10GbE card is on the same subnet, then nas will use the "default" gateway port of the NAS for data transfer.

As dolbyman stated it is better to have both 1GB ports on one Subnet and the 10GbE card on another subnet. that way both subnets will and can have different Gateways. Also if you use protocol binding, you need to have two subnets for it to work correctly.

spikemixture · Post by **spikemixture** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:52 pm

Isn't that what I am doing?

the 10gbe is 10.10.10.*
and the 1g is 192.168.1.*

Toxic17 · Post by **Toxic17** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:51 pm

what version of HBS are you using. the HBS 3 (beta) allows for faster transfer of data.

https://www.qnap.com/solution/hbs3/en/

using it here. you wont see that actual files on your backup NAS as these have been Deduped. which converts them to .qdff files. you can however extract them using the QuDedup Extract Tool.

you need to setup your jobs again as I found no way of using an existing v2 backup task and enabling QuDedup in the task. it was greyed out.

spikemixture · Post by **spikemixture** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:24 pm

I am on Version 2.1 190709

I want identical folders/files on the receiving NAS as i use that as a backup server - so it need to see the files the a same as the Qnap.

Does V3 do that or it leaves then as the qdff files - if that is the case no good for me.

So back to my question!

How does Qnap decide which ip to send FROM

Toxic17 · Post by **Toxic17** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:41 pm

spikemixture wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:24 pm
How does Qnap decide which ip to send FROM

the quick answer - via routing tables, just like most devices.

ssh into your NAS.

type

route

spikemixture · Post by **spikemixture** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:39 pm

Toxic17 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:41 pm
spikemixture wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:24 pm
How does Qnap decide which ip to send FROM
the quick answer - via routing tables, just like most devices.

ssh into your NAS.

type

route

/mnt/HDA_ROOT/.config$ route
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 100 0 0 eth0
10.0.3.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 lxcbr0
10.0.5.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 docker0
10.10.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth4
127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo
192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth3
192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 qvs1
192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 qvs0

None of those I recognize!

And
I am on Version 2.1 190709

I want identical folders/files on the receiving NAS as i use that as a backup server - so it need to see the files the a same as the Qnap.

Does V3 do that or it leaves then as the qdff files - if that is the case no good for me.

Toxic17 · Post by **Toxic17** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:45 pm

you have the choice of using qdff files or not in HBS3 jobs.

Trexx · Post by **Trexx** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:36 pm

Also depending on how your jobs are configured (compression, etc.) the "computational overhead" of the job itself may be throttling your backup more so than the NW bandwidth.

Moogle Stiltzkin · Post by **Moogle Stiltzkin** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:19 am

QuDedup technology unveiled: Data deduplication, data size reduction & deduped data direct view @9:17. @17:55, @20:00, @23:38, @29:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM--u98cPv8

spikemixture · Post by **spikemixture** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:10 pm

Ok running V3 and looks to be an improvement.

Doing a straight sync and it does none of the new fancy name change stuff .

BUT It clearly shows my qnap is NOT using my 10.10.10.10 10GBE ip

But my default 192.168.1.112

My receiving IP Syno shows the 10.10.10.17 correct 10GBE IP.

How do I get Qnap to use the 10gbe ip ?

spikemixture · Post by **spikemixture** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:43 pm

Here is the answer

Login using your 10GBE ip (but it must be from a PC on same subnet - in my case my PC on 10.10.10.100)

For me the usual is 192.168.1.112 and my 10GBE is 10.10.10.12
So I opened a new page with that IP and all the jobs in HBS V3 show 10.10.10.12 as the source.

Tests show no speed increase !!

Although HBS V3 show 10.10.10.12 when i open from that IP and 192.168.1.112 shows that IP(192.168.1.112) if opened at the same time it seems to make no difference to anything !

spikemixture · Post by **spikemixture** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:47 pm

Has anyone connected two 10gbe adapters using HBSv3?

Toxic17 · Post by **Toxic17** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:51 pm

spikemixture · Post by **spikemixture** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:41 pm

Toxic17 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:51 pmYep.

Do u have the 10GBE as the only ethernet adapter in each of the 2 boxes?

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