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Multimedia Console Removal

Post by DARcode » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:34 am

Can it be removed please?

If not, can indexing be stopped for good and not just paused please?
I can't find how to limit indexing to specific shares or folders either.

Also, I've disabled thumbnail creation but it doesn't delete the already create ones even by pressing the Remove All Thumbnails button, any clues?

Thanks.

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Re: Multimedia Console Removal

Post by gibxxi » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:33 am

As an interim mitigation, open up the multimedia console, and in the top-right of the window you'll see a slider. Toggle it to "disabled" and it will disable all multimedia services provided by QNAP and prevent further indexing or thumbnail creation. It will survive a reboot, although, as you've already alluded to, you'll have to SSH in to clean up the mess it will have added to the filesystem, manually.

Mine was already disabled using the old "Disable Multimedia Services" option in previous firmware versions, and that choice carried over to the new 4.4.1 firmware, so while the app itself is enabled and running, the services it provides are not.

EDIT: QNAP will consider this a "core" add-on, much like the "Network & Virtual Switch" or the "Storage & Snapshots" add-ons. It's simply been de-coupled from the main QTS UI. Don't hold your breath waiting for QNAP to offer the option to remove it completely, because I'd bet that won't be forthcoming. Disabling it will work just as well though. Bear in mind it wasn't possible to "remove" the Multimedia Services in previous firmwares either, so your neither gaining or losing anything by not being able to do so with the new "add-on" approach. Just disable it, and move on.

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Re: Multimedia Console Removal

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:02 am

if u set the option within multimedia console to

1. don't index
2. don't generate thumbnails

thats effectively not using this anymore, isn't it? the goal is not to create space wastage right?

even when i was using it, it only used roughlty 3-4 gb for a couple thousand items (videos, pics, music and some documents)

the app will still be there for those that actually use it (e.g. indexing and thumbnails for the native qnap apps like filestation, qsirch, photostation, qumagie)


but that said.... the thumbnail generation hasn't fully worked for me for a long while. In the logs it would say some media files would fail to generate thumbnails :S .... i reported this issue a couple of times already, and still not fixed (at least for me).

*just an update

I figured why thumbnail didn't work for me. the issue was they had removed support for h265, so because most of my media is that format, that is why i get a lot of failed to create thumbnail alerts.... :(
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Re: Multimedia Console Removal

Post by Ken81 » Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:06 pm

I get a little confused about the usage of file indexing done by Multimedia Console (or Mul. Management before) after reading this and other posts.. So this indexing is only used by the native qnap apps? What about Plex Media Server, isnt that one also dependent on the same indexing? Or does plex index the files by itself when publishing the shared files and folders to clients?

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Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:16 pm

PMS use their OWN indexing. thats why when i scan plex, it doesn't care if u scan with qnap multimedia management or this new multimedia console, because no relation afaik.

PMS also does it's OWN thumbnail generation as well...

it has it's own DLNA if you want to use that as well :'
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Re: Multimedia Console Removal

Post by DARcode » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:55 pm

gibxxi wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:33 am
As an interim mitigation, open up the multimedia console, and in the top-right of the window you'll see a slider. Toggle it to "disabled" and it will disable all multimedia services provided by QNAP and prevent further indexing or thumbnail creation. It will survive a reboot, although, as you've already alluded to, you'll have to SSH in to clean up the mess it will have added to the filesystem, manually.

Mine was already disabled using the old "Disable Multimedia Services" option in previous firmware versions, and that choice carried over to the new 4.4.1 firmware, so while the app itself is enabled and running, the services it provides are not.

EDIT: QNAP will consider this a "core" add-on, much like the "Network & Virtual Switch" or the "Storage & Snapshots" add-ons. It's simply been de-coupled from the main QTS UI. Don't hold your breath waiting for QNAP to offer the option to remove it completely, because I'd bet that won't be forthcoming. Disabling it will work just as well though. Bear in mind it wasn't possible to "remove" the Multimedia Services in previous firmwares either, so your neither gaining or losing anything by not being able to do so with the new "add-on" approach. Just disable it, and move on.

:)

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Re: Multimedia Console Removal

Post by DARcode » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:57 pm

Moogle Stiltzkin wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:02 am
if u set the option within multimedia console to

1. don't index
2. don't generate thumbnails

thats effectively not using this anymore, isn't it? the goal is not to create space wastage right?

even when i was using it, it only used roughlty 3-4 gb for a couple thousand items (videos, pics, music and some documents)

the app will still be there for those that actually use it (e.g. indexing and thumbnails for the native qnap apps like filestation, qsirch, photostation, qumagie)


but that said.... the thumbnail generation hasn't fully worked for me for a long while. In the logs it would say some media files would fail to generate thumbnails :S .... i reported this issue a couple of times already, and still not fixed (at least for me).
You can't disable indexing, only pause it, and after a reboot it resumes.

You can disable thumbnails creation, though already created ones remain and take up space.

The most annoying aspect, besides being unable to disable indexing permanently, it that it runs on all shares, not just those dedicated to DLNA or other multimedia services.
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Re: Multimedia Console Removal

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:25 pm

DARcode wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:57 pm
Moogle Stiltzkin wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:02 am
if u set the option within multimedia console to

1. don't index
2. don't generate thumbnails

thats effectively not using this anymore, isn't it? the goal is not to create space wastage right?

even when i was using it, it only used roughlty 3-4 gb for a couple thousand items (videos, pics, music and some documents)

the app will still be there for those that actually use it (e.g. indexing and thumbnails for the native qnap apps like filestation, qsirch, photostation, qumagie)


but that said.... the thumbnail generation hasn't fully worked for me for a long while. In the logs it would say some media files would fail to generate thumbnails :S .... i reported this issue a couple of times already, and still not fixed (at least for me).
You can't disable indexing, only pause it, and after a reboot it resumes.

You can disable thumbnails creation, though already created ones remain and take up space.

The most annoying aspect, besides being unable to disable indexing permanently, it that it runs on all shares, not just those dedicated to DLNA or other multimedia services.
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Re: Multimedia Console Removal

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:46 pm

Ok, i check on my ts-654a with qts 4.4.1 latest stable

go to multimedia console > overview

click that button multimedia services (disabled). I would probably first switch index and thumbnails to manual mode. and then delete the index and thumbnails FIRST, before doing that.

I also confirmed that on reboot this multimedia services remains disabled.

problem solved?


i disabled it on my ts-653a since it's a backup so i don't need it. but my main i keep it enabled :wink:
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Re: Multimedia Console Removal

Post by DARcode » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:00 am

Moogle Stiltzkin wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:46 pm
Ok, i check on my ts-654a with qts 4.4.1 latest stable

go to multimedia console > overview

click that button multimedia services (disabled). I would probably first switch index and thumbnails to manual mode. and then delete the index and thumbnails FIRST, before doing that.

I also confirmed that on reboot this multimedia services remains disabled.

problem solved?


i disabled it on my ts-653a since it's a backup so i don't need it. but my main i keep it enabled :wink:
As written here above I can't disable multimedia services entirely cause I need Twonky and that gets disabled too by that.
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Re: Multimedia Console Removal

Post by kelv1n » Sat Sep 28, 2019 7:41 am

Any tips on where to find the index database? and thumb nails?

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Re: Multimedia Console Removal

Post by kelv1n » Sat Sep 28, 2019 8:19 am

My advise is, if you don't want the NAS to be rummaging through and indexing all your dirty laundry, don't upgrade yet, wait for QNAP to offer a solution to what is indexed.

But if you have already upgraded, then there is a possible work-around, but probably going OTT, so unless you are extremely comfortable with databases and possibly bricking your NAS. Do NOT do this.
Personally, I was ** that it had indexed a huge amount of data on my NAS that I really don't want it too. So I did some digging in the CLI. The indexer uses a mariadb database, thanfully QNAP chose to use myISAM tables, the beauty of this is, it stores the database tables/data in a dedicated directory, and the Server is fairly tolerant of file-systems changes whilst it is running. The indexing is stored in the 2 following locations:
  • /share/CACHEDEV1_DATA/.system/data/s00
  • /share/CACHEDEV1_DATA/.system/data/s01
So I disabled Multimedia Services, then then deleted s00 and s01 directories... If you re-enable Multimedia Services, these database will be automatically recreated.

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Re: Multimedia Console Removal

Post by DARcode » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:02 pm

For the third time: can't disable multimedia services and keep on using Twonky, I need it and therefore can't disable multimedia services.

It's insane indexing can't be disabled independently or even limited to the multimedia folders, this is Microsoft behavior.
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Re: Multimedia Console Removal

Post by dolbyman » Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:53 pm

why do you need two multimedia console when using twonky?

twonky(3rd part app) uses it's own indexing(like plex,etc) and should not be dependent on qnaps indexes or multimedia services running

or are we talking about that free twonky version that qnap is still providing for older units (vs the paid version)?

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Re: Multimedia Console Removal

Post by DARcode » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:39 am

I don't need two: when I use the slider on the horrible new QNAP Multimedia Console to disable Multimedia Services it disables TwonkyMedia DLNA too.

I only use the free Twonky provided by QNAP, leaving QNAP's owne DLNA server disabled, but to stop the horrible Multimedia Console from indexing everyhting I can olny use its slider and that disables Twony too.
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