TVS-882 and QM2 card

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Re: TVS-882 and QM2 card

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Thanks for sharing that. I'll be interested in hearing your feedback on the Squid card.
I have to think the price of multi drive cards will come down. The ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 expansion card is under $60USD for 4 drives, but it only works with Intel VROC Ready systems, and only Intel SSDs.

Model: TVS-1282-i5-16G

[list]
[*]Firmware: QTS 4.5.3.1652 build 20210428
[*]Network: 10GbE ASUS XG-C100C card, MTU 9k
[*]RAID 1: [System] 2x WD Blue M.2 SSD 250GB
[*]RAID 6: [DATA] 5x HGST HDN728080ALE604 8TB
[list]
[*] Qtier RAID 1: 2x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB + 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB
[*] Cache RAID 1: 2x Samsung SSD 960 EVO 500GB NVMe M.2 in two NGFF PCIe 3.0 x4 adapter cards[/list][/list]
Model: TS-459 Pro
[list]
[*]Firmware: QTS 4.2.6 build 20210327
[*]RAID 6: 2x HGST HDN724030ALE640 3TB, x2 Seagate ST3000VN000 3TB
[*]External: 4TB HGST eSATA Drive, UPS
[*]Network: 1 Gbps, MTU 1500[/list]
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Re: TVS-882 and QM2 card

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Use RAID and external backups. RAID will protect you from disk failure, keep your system running, and data accessible while the disk is replaced, and the RAID rebuilt. Backups will allow you to recover data that is lost or corrupted, or from system failure. One does not replace the other.

NAS: TVS-882BR | F/W: 5.0.1.2346 | 40GB | 2 x 1TB M.2 SATA RAID 1 (System/VMs) | 3 x 1TB M.2 NMVe QM2-4P-384A RAID 5 (cache) | 5 x 14TB Exos HDD RAID 6 (Data) | 1 x Blu-ray
NAS: TVS-h674 | F/W: 5.0.1.2376 | 16GB | 3 x 18TB RAID 5
Apps: DNSMasq, PLEX, iDrive, QVPN, QLMS, MP3fs, HBS3, Entware, DLstation, VS, +
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Re: TVS-882 and QM2 card

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That one is SATA M.2 drives only. I think people are most excited about multi drive NVMe cards.

Model: TVS-1282-i5-16G

[list]
[*]Firmware: QTS 4.5.3.1652 build 20210428
[*]Network: 10GbE ASUS XG-C100C card, MTU 9k
[*]RAID 1: [System] 2x WD Blue M.2 SSD 250GB
[*]RAID 6: [DATA] 5x HGST HDN728080ALE604 8TB
[list]
[*] Qtier RAID 1: 2x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB + 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB
[*] Cache RAID 1: 2x Samsung SSD 960 EVO 500GB NVMe M.2 in two NGFF PCIe 3.0 x4 adapter cards[/list][/list]
Model: TS-459 Pro
[list]
[*]Firmware: QTS 4.2.6 build 20210327
[*]RAID 6: 2x HGST HDN724030ALE640 3TB, x2 Seagate ST3000VN000 3TB
[*]External: 4TB HGST eSATA Drive, UPS
[*]Network: 1 Gbps, MTU 1500[/list]
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Re: TVS-882 and QM2 card

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According to the Silverstone website it supports the Samsung 960 EVO and PRO which are NVMe.

http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.p ... 65&area=en

One of the slots can be converted to SATA with an external connection.
Use the forum search feature before posting.

Use RAID and external backups. RAID will protect you from disk failure, keep your system running, and data accessible while the disk is replaced, and the RAID rebuilt. Backups will allow you to recover data that is lost or corrupted, or from system failure. One does not replace the other.

NAS: TVS-882BR | F/W: 5.0.1.2346 | 40GB | 2 x 1TB M.2 SATA RAID 1 (System/VMs) | 3 x 1TB M.2 NMVe QM2-4P-384A RAID 5 (cache) | 5 x 14TB Exos HDD RAID 6 (Data) | 1 x Blu-ray
NAS: TVS-h674 | F/W: 5.0.1.2376 | 16GB | 3 x 18TB RAID 5
Apps: DNSMasq, PLEX, iDrive, QVPN, QLMS, MP3fs, HBS3, Entware, DLstation, VS, +
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Re: TVS-882 and QM2 card

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I totally missed that.
So that would give you one NVMe drive at full speed (a 960 EVO or PRO) and a second that would require a SATA cable to be connected to an empty SATA port on the motherboard if I am understanding the product correctly.
Do any QNAP products have extra SATA ports on the motherboard?

Model: TVS-1282-i5-16G

[list]
[*]Firmware: QTS 4.5.3.1652 build 20210428
[*]Network: 10GbE ASUS XG-C100C card, MTU 9k
[*]RAID 1: [System] 2x WD Blue M.2 SSD 250GB
[*]RAID 6: [DATA] 5x HGST HDN728080ALE604 8TB
[list]
[*] Qtier RAID 1: 2x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB + 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB
[*] Cache RAID 1: 2x Samsung SSD 960 EVO 500GB NVMe M.2 in two NGFF PCIe 3.0 x4 adapter cards[/list][/list]
Model: TS-459 Pro
[list]
[*]Firmware: QTS 4.2.6 build 20210327
[*]RAID 6: 2x HGST HDN724030ALE640 3TB, x2 Seagate ST3000VN000 3TB
[*]External: 4TB HGST eSATA Drive, UPS
[*]Network: 1 Gbps, MTU 1500[/list]
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Re: TVS-882 and QM2 card

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It is very confusing. I thing it supports 2 NVMe cards or 1 NVMe and 1 SATA. I am going to email them and ask for clarification. Let you know when I hear back.
Use the forum search feature before posting.

Use RAID and external backups. RAID will protect you from disk failure, keep your system running, and data accessible while the disk is replaced, and the RAID rebuilt. Backups will allow you to recover data that is lost or corrupted, or from system failure. One does not replace the other.

NAS: TVS-882BR | F/W: 5.0.1.2346 | 40GB | 2 x 1TB M.2 SATA RAID 1 (System/VMs) | 3 x 1TB M.2 NMVe QM2-4P-384A RAID 5 (cache) | 5 x 14TB Exos HDD RAID 6 (Data) | 1 x Blu-ray
NAS: TVS-h674 | F/W: 5.0.1.2376 | 16GB | 3 x 18TB RAID 5
Apps: DNSMasq, PLEX, iDrive, QVPN, QLMS, MP3fs, HBS3, Entware, DLstation, VS, +
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Re: TVS-882 and QM2 card

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I took a closer look at the product photo and could see the M.2 slots are different. One is a B Key the other is an M Key. NVMe's like the Samsungs use the M Key so they would only fit in that bottom slot unfortunately.

Model: TVS-1282-i5-16G

[list]
[*]Firmware: QTS 4.5.3.1652 build 20210428
[*]Network: 10GbE ASUS XG-C100C card, MTU 9k
[*]RAID 1: [System] 2x WD Blue M.2 SSD 250GB
[*]RAID 6: [DATA] 5x HGST HDN728080ALE604 8TB
[list]
[*] Qtier RAID 1: 2x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB + 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB
[*] Cache RAID 1: 2x Samsung SSD 960 EVO 500GB NVMe M.2 in two NGFF PCIe 3.0 x4 adapter cards[/list][/list]
Model: TS-459 Pro
[list]
[*]Firmware: QTS 4.2.6 build 20210327
[*]RAID 6: 2x HGST HDN724030ALE640 3TB, x2 Seagate ST3000VN000 3TB
[*]External: 4TB HGST eSATA Drive, UPS
[*]Network: 1 Gbps, MTU 1500[/list]
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Re: TVS-882 and QM2 card

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Well that s-u-cks.
Use the forum search feature before posting.

Use RAID and external backups. RAID will protect you from disk failure, keep your system running, and data accessible while the disk is replaced, and the RAID rebuilt. Backups will allow you to recover data that is lost or corrupted, or from system failure. One does not replace the other.

NAS: TVS-882BR | F/W: 5.0.1.2346 | 40GB | 2 x 1TB M.2 SATA RAID 1 (System/VMs) | 3 x 1TB M.2 NMVe QM2-4P-384A RAID 5 (cache) | 5 x 14TB Exos HDD RAID 6 (Data) | 1 x Blu-ray
NAS: TVS-h674 | F/W: 5.0.1.2376 | 16GB | 3 x 18TB RAID 5
Apps: DNSMasq, PLEX, iDrive, QVPN, QLMS, MP3fs, HBS3, Entware, DLstation, VS, +
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Re: TVS-882 and QM2 card

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jds580s wrote:I took a closer look at the product photo and could see the M.2 slots are different. One is a B Key the other is an M Key. NVMe's like the Samsungs use the M Key so they would only fit in that bottom slot unfortunately.
Silverstone responded and confirmed what you already said.
Use the forum search feature before posting.

Use RAID and external backups. RAID will protect you from disk failure, keep your system running, and data accessible while the disk is replaced, and the RAID rebuilt. Backups will allow you to recover data that is lost or corrupted, or from system failure. One does not replace the other.

NAS: TVS-882BR | F/W: 5.0.1.2346 | 40GB | 2 x 1TB M.2 SATA RAID 1 (System/VMs) | 3 x 1TB M.2 NMVe QM2-4P-384A RAID 5 (cache) | 5 x 14TB Exos HDD RAID 6 (Data) | 1 x Blu-ray
NAS: TVS-h674 | F/W: 5.0.1.2376 | 16GB | 3 x 18TB RAID 5
Apps: DNSMasq, PLEX, iDrive, QVPN, QLMS, MP3fs, HBS3, Entware, DLstation, VS, +
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Re: TVS-882 and QM2 card

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@jds580s

I am thinking of picking up two boards to replace the QM2 card in my TVS-882BR for a couple of reasons. I'll move the QM2 card to my TVS-663.
  1. Better performance due to PCIe2 vs PCIe3. Also using two slots should be faster than using one slot (different lanes).
  2. The QM2 card does not fit in an x4 slot. I had to put it in the x8 slot. If I ever want to add a GPU I will need to use the x8 slot.
What do you think of this board --> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... 6815256024

How to you provide cooling to your cards? Did you add heatsinks? If so which ones?

Side question. Do you have the I7 or I5 processor? If you have the I7 does it show up as 8 cpus?

Thanks
Use the forum search feature before posting.

Use RAID and external backups. RAID will protect you from disk failure, keep your system running, and data accessible while the disk is replaced, and the RAID rebuilt. Backups will allow you to recover data that is lost or corrupted, or from system failure. One does not replace the other.

NAS: TVS-882BR | F/W: 5.0.1.2346 | 40GB | 2 x 1TB M.2 SATA RAID 1 (System/VMs) | 3 x 1TB M.2 NMVe QM2-4P-384A RAID 5 (cache) | 5 x 14TB Exos HDD RAID 6 (Data) | 1 x Blu-ray
NAS: TVS-h674 | F/W: 5.0.1.2376 | 16GB | 3 x 18TB RAID 5
Apps: DNSMasq, PLEX, iDrive, QVPN, QLMS, MP3fs, HBS3, Entware, DLstation, VS, +
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Re: TVS-882 and QM2 card

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Don wrote:@jds580s

I am thinking of picking up two boards to replace the QM2 card in my TVS-882BR for a couple of reasons.
  1. Better performance due to PCIe2 vs PCIe3. Also using two slots should be faster than using one slot (different lanes).
  2. The QM2 card does not fit in an x4 slot. I had to put it in the x8 slot. If I ever want to add a GPU I will need to use the x8 slot.
What do you think of this board --> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... 6815256024

How to you provide cooling to your cards? Did you add heatsinks? If so which ones?

Side question. Do you have the I7 or I5 processor? If you have the I7 does it show up as 8 cpus?

Thanks
Those cards should work great. I can’t see any ICs on them, just a few resistors for the LEDs on the bracket, which is a good sign that they shouldn’t require and drivers the QNAP wouldn’t support.

Which QM2 did you have? If it has a 10gbe port and you want to get rid of it I may be interested.

For cooling I picked up these
https://www.amazon.com/Gadgeter-Aluminu ... B01KHIBEKY
The thermal adhesive is not all that sticky so I also used some silicone mini “rubber” bands and they help keep the heatsinks secure.
The. I added a fan to my TVS-1282 that blows towards the two cards.
This keeps the temps nicely under control.

Model: TVS-1282-i5-16G

[list]
[*]Firmware: QTS 4.5.3.1652 build 20210428
[*]Network: 10GbE ASUS XG-C100C card, MTU 9k
[*]RAID 1: [System] 2x WD Blue M.2 SSD 250GB
[*]RAID 6: [DATA] 5x HGST HDN728080ALE604 8TB
[list]
[*] Qtier RAID 1: 2x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB + 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB
[*] Cache RAID 1: 2x Samsung SSD 960 EVO 500GB NVMe M.2 in two NGFF PCIe 3.0 x4 adapter cards[/list][/list]
Model: TS-459 Pro
[list]
[*]Firmware: QTS 4.2.6 build 20210327
[*]RAID 6: 2x HGST HDN724030ALE640 3TB, x2 Seagate ST3000VN000 3TB
[*]External: 4TB HGST eSATA Drive, UPS
[*]Network: 1 Gbps, MTU 1500[/list]
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Re: TVS-882 and QM2 card

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Thanks. The QM2 card doesn't have 10gbe and I'll reuse it in my TVS-663 (sorry).
Use the forum search feature before posting.

Use RAID and external backups. RAID will protect you from disk failure, keep your system running, and data accessible while the disk is replaced, and the RAID rebuilt. Backups will allow you to recover data that is lost or corrupted, or from system failure. One does not replace the other.

NAS: TVS-882BR | F/W: 5.0.1.2346 | 40GB | 2 x 1TB M.2 SATA RAID 1 (System/VMs) | 3 x 1TB M.2 NMVe QM2-4P-384A RAID 5 (cache) | 5 x 14TB Exos HDD RAID 6 (Data) | 1 x Blu-ray
NAS: TVS-h674 | F/W: 5.0.1.2376 | 16GB | 3 x 18TB RAID 5
Apps: DNSMasq, PLEX, iDrive, QVPN, QLMS, MP3fs, HBS3, Entware, DLstation, VS, +
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Re: TVS-882 and QM2 card

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hello, i read all this topic and i have one question. does anyone know what kind of chipset those cards have? 2P and 2S , i saw some pictures of 2P but couldn't identify the chipset because it was blurry. i am more interested in the 2S version, because maybe we can find and alternative (cheaper) adapter card, i would like to have my 2.5" ssd caching drives moved to m.2 sata ones to empty the slots on my 531x
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Re: TVS-882 and QM2 card

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OK .. as a follow-up to my post on page 5 in this thread viewtopic.php?f=182&t=131763&p=640559#p640559 as I got my hands on 2 other pcie cards, please see more tests. Mind all 3 card setups use the very same 960pro 1tb samsungs

First the results for the qnap (horrific imho) card (QM2-2P10G1T):

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[admin@KSQ1 ~]# hdparm -t /dev/md1
/dev/md1:
 Timing buffered disk reads:  5088 MB in  3.00 seconds = 1695.86 MB/sec
HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(null) (wait for flush complete) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[admin@KSQ1 ~]# qcli_storage -T force=1
fio test command for physical disk: /sbin/fio --filename=test_device --direct=1 --rw=read --bs=1M --runtime=15 --name=test-read --ioengine=libaio --iodepth=32 &>/tmp/qcli_storage.log
fio test command for RAID: /sbin/fio --filename=test_device --direct=0 --rw=read --bs=1M --runtime=15 --name=test-read --ioengine=libaio --iodepth=32 &>/tmp/qcli_storage.log
Start testing!
Performance test is finished 100.000%...
Enclosure  Port  Sys_Name      Throughput    RAID        RAID_Type    RAID_Throughput   Pool
NAS_HOST   P2-  1/dev/nvme1n1  864.93 MB/s   /dev/md1    RAID 0       1.66 GB/s         288
NAS_HOST   P2-  2/dev/nvme0n1  864.73 MB/s   /dev/md1    RAID 0       1.66 GB/s         288
REXP#1     1     /dev/nvme1n1  864.93 MB/s   /dev/md1    RAID 0       1.66 GB/s         288
REXP#1     2     /dev/nvme0n1  864.73 MB/s   /dev/md1    RAID 0       1.66 GB/s         288
[admin@KSQ1 ~]# qcli_storage -t force=1
fio test command for LV layer: /sbin/fio --filename=test_device --direct=0 --rw=read --bs=1M --runtime=15 --name=test-read --ioengine=libaio --iodepth=32 &>/tmp/qcli_storage.log
fio test command for File system: /sbin/fio --directory=test_device --direct=0 --rw=read --bs=1M --runtime=15 --name=test-read --ioengine=libaio --iodepth=32 --size=128m &>/tmp/qcli_storage.log
Start testing!
Performance test is finished 100.000%...
VolID   VolName             Pool     Mapping_Name            Throughput      Mount_Path                    FS_Throughput
1       DataVol1            288      /dev/mapper/cachedev1   1.66 GB/s       /share/CACHEDEV1_DATA         1.64 GB/s
then the squid 2 nvme card (from Amfeltec for 2 ssds):

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[admin@KSQ1 ~]# hdparm -t /dev/md1
/dev/md1:
 Timing buffered disk reads:  9464 MB in  3.00 seconds = 3154.64 MB/sec
HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(null) (wait for flush complete) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[admin@KSQ1 ~]# qcli_storage -T force=1
fio test command for physical disk: /sbin/fio --filename=test_device --direct=1 --rw=read --bs=1M --runtime=15 --name=test-read --ioengine=libaio --iodepth=32 &>/tmp/qcli_storage.log
fio test command for RAID: /sbin/fio --filename=test_device --direct=0 --rw=read --bs=1M --runtime=15 --name=test-read --ioengine=libaio --iodepth=32 &>/tmp/qcli_storage.log
Start testing!
Performance test is finished 100.000%...
Enclosure  Port  Sys_Name      Throughput    RAID        RAID_Type    RAID_Throughput   Pool
NAS_HOST   3     /dev/sda      266.52 MB/s   --          --           --                --
NAS_HOST   P2-  1/dev/nvme0n1  3.07 GB/s     /dev/md1    RAID 0       3.09 GB/s         288
NAS_HOST   P2-  2/dev/nvme1n1  3.16 GB/s     /dev/md1    RAID 0       3.09 GB/s         288
[admin@KSQ1 ~]# qcli_storage -t force=1
fio test command for LV layer: /sbin/fio --filename=test_device --direct=0 --rw=read --bs=1M --runtime=15 --name=test-read --ioengine=libaio --iodepth=32 &>/tmp/qcli_storage.log
fio test command for File system: /sbin/fio --directory=test_device --direct=0 --rw=read --bs=1M --runtime=15 --name=test-read --ioengine=libaio --iodepth=32 --size=128m &>/tmp/qcli_storage.log
Start testing!
Performance test is finished 100.000%...
VolID   VolName             Pool     Mapping_Name            Throughput      Mount_Path                    FS_Throughput
1       DataVol1            288      /dev/mapper/cachedev1   3.20 GB/s       /share/CACHEDEV1_DATA         3.12 GB/s
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Re: TVS-882 and QM2 card

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karels74 wrote:OK .. as a follow-up to my post on page 5 in this thread viewtopic.php?f=182&t=131763&p=640559#p640559 as I got my hands on 2 other pcie cards, please see more tests. Mind all 3 card setups use the very same 960pro 1tb samsungs
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Wow I'm impressed that the Squid card worked in your QNAP TVS-682. Did you run into any issues installing it (either physical as in it's large size, or having QTS recognize the drives)?

Thank you very much for sharing this. I had been assuming that the Squid cards wound not be a viable option in a QNAP.

Model: TVS-1282-i5-16G

[list]
[*]Firmware: QTS 4.5.3.1652 build 20210428
[*]Network: 10GbE ASUS XG-C100C card, MTU 9k
[*]RAID 1: [System] 2x WD Blue M.2 SSD 250GB
[*]RAID 6: [DATA] 5x HGST HDN728080ALE604 8TB
[list]
[*] Qtier RAID 1: 2x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB + 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB
[*] Cache RAID 1: 2x Samsung SSD 960 EVO 500GB NVMe M.2 in two NGFF PCIe 3.0 x4 adapter cards[/list][/list]
Model: TS-459 Pro
[list]
[*]Firmware: QTS 4.2.6 build 20210327
[*]RAID 6: 2x HGST HDN724030ALE640 3TB, x2 Seagate ST3000VN000 3TB
[*]External: 4TB HGST eSATA Drive, UPS
[*]Network: 1 Gbps, MTU 1500[/list]
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