TVS-472xt, 672xt, 872xt with i7-9700K i9-9900K with Noctua NH-D15 Fan, 600W PSU, RTX 3080 (PC Gaming via VM)

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Re: TVS-472xt, 672xt, 872xt with i7-9700K i9-9900K with Noctua NH-D15 Fan, 600W PSU, RTX 3080 (PC Gaming via VM)

Post by ramx2 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:13 am

That's massive, eah ? Why you didn't think of water cooling block? Your temps are finally low, but can you confirm that your CPU isn't throttling while stressing?
I've also found this pretty really cool project by using the m.2 Nvme slot for GPU https://imgur.com/a/JHoIy , there's no issues installing the Gpu but we should confirm about QTS capabilities.
Power is needed for the m.2 to PCIe X4 adapter and of course you need power to the gpu..
Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrmHVL6 ... echTablets

Please do me a favor, download cpuz and speccy to the VM that you're using and stress your cpu while speccy is on the cpu page. Look at the clocks speed in speccy before running the bench and after and how it's behaving during the bench and after you stop the bench. I assume you haven't turn off the turbo boost.
I'm curious about the dip is from thermal or it's just not able to cope with the power draw from the cpu.
QNAP TVS-672XT:
CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K, Turbo boost turned back ON and cooled by passive copper heat sink.
RAM: 32GB x 2 Samsung 2666Mhz
GPU: MSI GTX 1060 6G OCV1 6GB 192-Bit GDDR5
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Re: TVS-472xt, 672xt, 872xt with i7-9700K i9-9900K with Noctua NH-D15 Fan, 600W PSU, RTX 3080 (PC Gaming via VM)

Post by boonjet » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:32 am

Hi ramx, I am using Prime95 to do the testing.

VM using 6 cores and 32 GB ram.

Picture 1 = Before Testing
Picture 2 = During Testing (Frequency stay between at 3590 MHz to 3800 MHz for all 6 cores)
Picture 3 = Prime95 Stopped

During test, CPU temperature stay between 53 to 58 degreeC at 85% load. Power consumption stay at +/- 170 Watts. There is no dip in frequency throughout the test.
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Post by ramx2 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:30 am

Prime95 is perfect too.. Your cpu clocks goes down before the stress interesting, mine doesn't! That's good news! But as per checking the photos again your CPU should reach 4.9Ghz, so your turbo boost is switched off and you're not reaching the maximum speed.. Can you please turn on your turbo boost and redo the speed test again, if you may?

Thank you for your tests : D
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QNAP TVS-672XT:
CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K, Turbo boost turned back ON and cooled by passive copper heat sink.
RAM: 32GB x 2 Samsung 2666Mhz
GPU: MSI GTX 1060 6G OCV1 6GB 192-Bit GDDR5
HDD: WESTERN DIGITAL Ultrastar® DC HC520 12TB x 6 | 7200 RPM | SATA 6Gb/s | PMR|
SSD: Lexar NVME 500GB for Cashing
PSU: Enhance Flex 600W ENP-7660B

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Re: TVS-472xt, 672xt, 872xt with i7-9700K i9-9900K with Noctua NH-D15 Fan, 600W PSU, RTX 3080 (PC Gaming via VM)

Post by jaysona » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:35 am

boonjet wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:21 am
Hi ramx, you are very resourceful. I enjoyed reading your post with new ideas and solutions. by the way, I have successfully installed the Noctua NH-D15. Before CPU temperature 60-72 degreeC during gaming. Now the CPU temperature never exceed 60 degreeC during gaming. Idle temperature less than 40 degreeC. I am using the heatsink for the Nvme that comes with the original packaging for my Ethernet chip.
That's quite the ingenious setup to keep the CPU cool, however there is one additional thing you may need to do. I am not sure the if the x72 motherboard come with a support plate on the back side of the mobo or not. If there is no support plate, then you will need to place a neutral weight support under the fan/heatpipe grill. The motherboard is not designed to deal with the shear stress caused by the weight of the downward pull from the cooling unit. Over time micro fractures will develop which will eventually cause the copper traces in the different mobo layers to break.
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Post by ramx2 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:34 am

jaysona wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:35 am
boonjet wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:21 am
Hi ramx, you are very resourceful. I enjoyed reading your post with new ideas and solutions. by the way, I have successfully installed the Noctua NH-D15. Before CPU temperature 60-72 degreeC during gaming. Now the CPU temperature never exceed 60 degreeC during gaming. Idle temperature less than 40 degreeC. I am using the heatsink for the Nvme that comes with the original packaging for my Ethernet chip.
That's quite the ingenious setup to keep the CPU cool, however there is one additional thing you may need to do. I am not sure the if the x72 motherboard come with a support plate on the back side of the mobo or not. If there is no support plate, then you will need to place a neutral weight support under the fan/heatpipe grill. The motherboard is not designed to deal with the shear stress caused by the weight of the downward pull from the cooling unit. Over time micro fractures will develop which will eventually cause the copper traces in the different mobo layers to break.
There’s a back plate behind the cpu and the board been fixed also properly to the chassis, there’s no harm of doing with what you suggested for sure..
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CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K, Turbo boost turned back ON and cooled by passive copper heat sink.
RAM: 32GB x 2 Samsung 2666Mhz
GPU: MSI GTX 1060 6G OCV1 6GB 192-Bit GDDR5
HDD: WESTERN DIGITAL Ultrastar® DC HC520 12TB x 6 | 7200 RPM | SATA 6Gb/s | PMR|
SSD: Lexar NVME 500GB for Cashing
PSU: Enhance Flex 600W ENP-7660B

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Re: TVS-472xt, 672xt, 872xt with i7-9700K i9-9900K with Noctua Fans (PC Gaming via VM)

Post by rafale » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:09 am

ramx2 wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:51 am

I like your setup as you're not limited to the NAS bay dimensions to install a bigger GPU, but as for the CPU cooling, keep the aluminum heatsink because it's more than enough for the 9900T, and if you want to drop more the temps just get Gelid extreme thermal paste or go for Kryonaut thermal grizzly ;) or else get the copper and cover the ethernet chip with a southbridge 4 cm heatsink also..
Thanks for the input on cooling. I was just thinking about going a bit higher to a 9900K maybe or a 9900 requiring more cooling. Probably not in the short term though. I am actually using a solid TIM: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BL3SCWH/

It works really well, doesn't dry up and leaves no mess.
ramx2 wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:51 am
Another idea, you could have used any regular or modular PSU the size you like and put it in the back and then lay in the 24 pin cable of the new PSU from the 250 watt psu hole since you're going to remove it for sure. Then get the 20 pin adapter to connect it to the new PSU to supply power for the drives and lay it in also. In that case your new PSU could power 2 GPUs if you like, and you're not limited to power they consume since you can use a 1200W PSU, also to mention you don't have to bridge PSU pins to switch on in this case..
GPU and PSU are out lol :geek:
I thought long and hard about doing this... trust me. At the end I thought that the dual PSU with a pico psi + a 250W AC/DC brick was more elegant. I already have a 20 pin adapter pulled from my previous 1282 build which I could have used but... This is much cleaner. Somehow bridging the PSU pins on the pico PSU seems like it behave differently from a full ATX PSU and works a lot better: I can leave the pin permanently inserted and the pico PSU is able to detect that there is no draw from the PSU and shuts on and off according to the power draw. So that's not a problem either. Unlike an ATX PSU, the whole thing shuts off and reboots without having to fool with the pins.
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Post by boonjet » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:31 pm

Hi ramx, I have been running the Prime95 test for 10 hours non-stop. The Qnap QTS System Event Log didn't show "Warning - CPU frequency reduced to 0.8 GHz", which means that the CPU temperature is within safe operating limit (below 70 degreeC). I have checked the turbo enabled or disabled status via SSH. It shows "0" enabled. I am not sure why the frequency didnt reach 4.9 GHz.
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Post by boonjet » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:50 pm

After I closed Prime95, the CPU temperature drop to 33 degreeC.

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Re: TVS-472xt, 672xt, 872xt with i7-9700K i9-9900K with Noctua NH-D15 Fan, 600W PSU, RTX 3080 (PC Gaming via VM)

Post by ramx2 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:57 pm

The Noctua is doing a gr8 job, congrats 33c on idle!!
In my opinion, the water cooling solution would be nicer to look at than the Noctua and by like placing the radiator behind the exhaust fans.. This is viable for you since the cover is going to be open all the time.

I also need to figure a way to control the turbo boost within the motherboard limits so we can get higher controlled clocks.
QNAP TVS-672XT:
CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K, Turbo boost turned back ON and cooled by passive copper heat sink.
RAM: 32GB x 2 Samsung 2666Mhz
GPU: MSI GTX 1060 6G OCV1 6GB 192-Bit GDDR5
HDD: WESTERN DIGITAL Ultrastar® DC HC520 12TB x 6 | 7200 RPM | SATA 6Gb/s | PMR|
SSD: Lexar NVME 500GB for Cashing
PSU: Enhance Flex 600W ENP-7660B

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Re: TVS-472xt, 672xt, 872xt with i7-9700K i9-9900K with Noctua NH-D15 Fan, 600W PSU, RTX 3080 (PC Gaming via VM)

Post by boonjet » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:07 pm

Hi ramx, I have ordered the cable from ebay. Thanks! Do you know how to access the BIOS? I want to check the setting. I have checked online that 2080Ti can only do 60 FPS in ultra Setting in 1440p resolution. So my 1050Ti is doing 40 FPS in ultra setting in 2560x1600 resolution is consider Ok (max FPS for this card). I am planning to have a vertical GPU (possibly 3070 or 3080) mounted on top of my NAS. I am still considering between external 1200W PSU and 600W internal PSU.

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Re: TVS-472xt, 672xt, 872xt with i7-9700K i9-9900K with Noctua NH-D15 Fan, 600W PSU, RTX 3080 (PC Gaming via VM)

Post by ramx2 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:17 am

Hey,
Plug a USB keyboard: Power on the NAS and press the F2 or DEL key to enter the BIOS setup utility.
But about the power supply I can’t decide for you, it’s upon your needs and power draw from the hardware you’ll install..
QNAP TVS-672XT:
CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K, Turbo boost turned back ON and cooled by passive copper heat sink.
RAM: 32GB x 2 Samsung 2666Mhz
GPU: MSI GTX 1060 6G OCV1 6GB 192-Bit GDDR5
HDD: WESTERN DIGITAL Ultrastar® DC HC520 12TB x 6 | 7200 RPM | SATA 6Gb/s | PMR|
SSD: Lexar NVME 500GB for Cashing
PSU: Enhance Flex 600W ENP-7660B

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Re: TVS-472xt, 672xt, 872xt with i7-9700K i9-9900K with Noctua NH-D15 Fan, 600W PSU, RTX 3080 (PC Gaming via VM)

Post by ramx2 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:20 am

I've managed to tune up the I9-9900K CPU frequencies and adjust the percentage of the Turbo Boost. The reason for doing it, when Turbo mode is OFF I can see my CPU frequencies isn't going lower than the base clock speed 3.6GhZ.

For me the CPU if Turbo boost is ON it was running on 4.4Ghz so by turning it OFF it switches to 3.6 Ghz and not scaling down at all if the boost is ON or OFF which is annoying.

So you need to SSH into the device and run the following commands:

To check the CPU speed :

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 grep "cpu MHz" /proc/cpuinfo
Then you can inquire as to the Turbo Boost enabled or disabled status and how to turn it ON or OFF:

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$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/no_turbo
0
Where 0 means turbo is enabled and 1 means it is disabled. And you can change it by writting (as sudo) to the same location.

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$ echo "1" | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/no_turbo
1
I solved the scaling issue by checking and changing the scaling_governor:

To inquire the state the scaling_governor:

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cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
Or

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cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor
performance
performance
performance
performance
performance
performance
performance
performance
performance
performance
performance
performance
performance
performance
performance
performance
It should show you "powersave" or "performance", in my case it was set on "performance" and this was preventing my CPU to scale down.

To change the state of the scaling_governor from performance to powersave:

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echo "powersave" | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor
To revert back to performance state:

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echo "performance" | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor

When I ran it, the CPU frequencies scaled down to the lowest clocks.


I also wanted to tune the Turbo frequencies since I want it to be ON and to let the CPU scale to a safe clock speed and to be within the thermal limits to and prevent the CPU from throttling on stress.
So, when Turbo Boost is ON, the CPU should be 4.4 Ghz, and to reach a lower or higher clocks you need to tune-up the with following switches "min_perf_pct" "max_perf_pct":

The default setting for "min_perf_pct" : 16
The default setting for "max_perf_pct" : 100

To inquire and verify those readings:

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cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/min_perf_pct

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cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/max_perf_pct
In my case I just needed to lower the Turbo Boost clocks to 80% to prevent it from throttling:

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echo "80" | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/max_perf_pct
Results shows the I9-9900K can reach 4Ghz on stress :)

Finally, we can fine tune the percentage to gain higher Turbo clocks and prevent it from throttling.


If you want to change the minimum frequencies which is not needed of course run the following command:

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echo "50" | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/min_perf_pct
This allowed the minimum clock speed to change from being 999Mhz to 2500Mhz and remember the default setting was 16!

Finally, I've managed to keep the Turbo Boost ON and tune to a clock frequency which is acceptable to my thermal limits :D and make it scale to the lowest clock.

PS: These changes aren't permanent on reboot unless you save it in autorun.sh on startup: https://wiki.qnap.com/wiki/Running_Your ... at_Startup
Idle temp dropped to 34~35c on 0% Cpu usage, this reading with one copper heat sink. Maybe, after I'll check the stock aluminum heat sink and what temperature readings I'll get.
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QNAP TVS-672XT:
CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K, Turbo boost turned back ON and cooled by passive copper heat sink.
RAM: 32GB x 2 Samsung 2666Mhz
GPU: MSI GTX 1060 6G OCV1 6GB 192-Bit GDDR5
HDD: WESTERN DIGITAL Ultrastar® DC HC520 12TB x 6 | 7200 RPM | SATA 6Gb/s | PMR|
SSD: Lexar NVME 500GB for Cashing
PSU: Enhance Flex 600W ENP-7660B

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Re: TVS-472xt, 672xt, 872xt with i7-9700K i9-9900K with Noctua NH-D15 Fan, 600W PSU, RTX 3080 (PC Gaming via VM)

Post by buggz » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:46 pm

Where is everyone getting the CPUs from?
I only see the i9-9900T ES listed on eBay.
They are all from China.
Anyone purchased from one of these eBay China vendors?

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Post by boonjet » Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:55 pm

Hi Ramx2, I have received the 20 pins connector from Ebay. I have a question, usually a typical ATX psu has a 4+4pins for CPU. For our Qnap x72xt motherboard, there is no such 4+4pins connection. Do I leave the 4+4pins cable unconnected? I am wondering if the 24pins cable is able to supply sufficient power for the i7 or i9 CPU?

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Post by ramx2 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:13 am

boonjet wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:55 pm
Hi Ramx2, I have received the 20 pins connector from Ebay. I have a question, usually a typical ATX psu has a 4+4pins for CPU. For our Qnap x72xt motherboard, there is no such 4+4pins connection. Do I leave the 4+4pins cable unconnected? I am wondering if the 24pins cable is able to supply sufficient power for the i7 or i9 CPU?
I’m happy that you did, the nas board doesn’t have the 4x4 cpu pins, so just wrap it with the extra cables, that’s all.. Well I can’t guarantee the extra power usage what will do to the motherboard, and if the 24 pin will suffice.
We didn’t design the motherboard and I’m sure there’s a reason why Qnap uses 35W CPUs.
I’m not saying get a voltmeter and check, maybe someone here more knowledgeable with measuring the electronics currents could help out :)
A visual inspection on the motherboard capacitors, etc.. Could show if there’s any discrepancies happening due the load..
Hence, that’s why I was really concerned to get my cpu downscale and upscale on demand. I needed less current load on the motherboard...
QNAP TVS-672XT:
CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K, Turbo boost turned back ON and cooled by passive copper heat sink.
RAM: 32GB x 2 Samsung 2666Mhz
GPU: MSI GTX 1060 6G OCV1 6GB 192-Bit GDDR5
HDD: WESTERN DIGITAL Ultrastar® DC HC520 12TB x 6 | 7200 RPM | SATA 6Gb/s | PMR|
SSD: Lexar NVME 500GB for Cashing
PSU: Enhance Flex 600W ENP-7660B

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