WD RED Drives (WD10EFRX WD20EFRX WD30EFRX)

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Re: WD RED Drives (WD10EFRX WD20EFRX WD30EFRX)

Postby schumaku » Tue May 03, 2016 2:05 pm

P3R wrote:
schumaku wrote:Not uncommon ... some 150...200 minutes per TB are realistic.
Not for a short/rapid SMART test, which was the original problem reported here 4 days ago.
True - missed that. The price for re-purposing existing threads instead of creating a new one and settings an appropriate subject.

I'm tempted to close this thread ... what do you think, P3R?

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Re: WD RED Drives (WD10EFRX WD20EFRX WD30EFRX)

Postby P3R » Tue May 03, 2016 2:38 pm

schumaku wrote:I'm tempted to close this thread ... what do you think, P3R?
I think that's a great idea. it's been years since the thread received any posts in line with the original intent of it.

Please everone finding this thread, look for another thread where the first posts and subject more specifically resembles your question/issue instead or start a new thread.
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A non-RAID configuration (including RAID 0, which isn't really RAID) with a backup on a separate media protects your data far better than any RAID-volume without backup.

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Re: WD RED Drives (WD10EFRX WD20EFRX WD30EFRX)

Postby itsmarcos » Tue May 03, 2016 3:11 pm

Why don't you move the last days posts about SMART test failures on WD HDDs on a separate thread and then close this one?
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Re: WD RED Drives (WD10EFRX WD20EFRX WD30EFRX)

Postby ichbinsnur » Tue May 03, 2016 3:15 pm

itsmarcos wrote:Why don't you move the last days posts about SMART test failures on WD HDDs on a separate thread and then close this one?


Good idea! ADMINS ?

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Re: WD RED Drives (WD10EFRX WD20EFRX WD30EFRX)

Postby onehans » Sat May 07, 2016 2:32 am

it looks like its a drive reporting problem not QNAP firmware. same issue is reported on synology forum https://forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopi ... 19&t=58635 "stuck on 90%"
someone mentioned about disabling indexing on drive which helped him. so i guess i need to wait for an update of FW for my WD red
thx for help

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Re: WD RED Drives (WD10EFRX WD20EFRX WD30EFRX)

Postby itsmarcos » Sat May 07, 2016 3:09 am

You will have to wait a lot for a WD firmware update. Try to get a replacement from WD if diagnostics fail. You never know,you might get a 4TB one as a bonus;)
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Re: WD RED Drives (WD10EFRX WD20EFRX WD30EFRX)

Postby CiASpook » Fri May 19, 2017 4:38 am

WD Red and Red Pro 10TB announced :)
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Re: WD RED Drives (WD10EFRX WD20EFRX WD30EFRX)

Postby Zodiak » Tue May 30, 2017 12:48 am

Are WD Red Pro 8TB compatible yet? I'm in the market for a QNAP and was looking over compatible drives but the list stops at 6 TB. Also, should I wait for the 10TB WD Red Pros or stick with 8x8TB Red Pros? Thanks.

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Re: WD RED Drives (WD10EFRX WD20EFRX WD30EFRX)

Postby dolbyman » Tue May 30, 2017 1:04 am

the lists "stops" because qnap does not test drives all the time

if the drive is NAS certified and you do not have legacy volumes in place(impossible with a x82 unit), it will work just fine

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Re: WD RED Drives (WD10EFRX WD20EFRX WD30EFRX)

Postby P3R » Tue May 30, 2017 4:40 am

Zodiak wrote:Also, should I wait for the 10TB WD Red Pros or stick with 8x8TB Red Pros? Thanks.
The only one in this forum that know if you need the additional capacity and can afford the higher cost is you, so I'd say that you're the only one that can answer that question correctly.

What I do know:
  • The largest capacity disks are usually the most expensive per byte.
  • Seagate Ironwolf Pro 10 TB have a 20% better MTBF and almost a factor 10(!) better Non-recoverable Read Errors per Bits Read than WD Red Pro.
  • Seagate Ironwolf Pro 10 TB are available at resellers now and WD Red Pro 10 TB isn't (that's in my market, you have to check your market).
  • Seagate Ironwolf Pro 10 TB are less costly than WD Red Pro 10 TB (7% less in my market now, you have to check your market).
RAID have never ever been a replacement for backups. Without backups on a different system (preferably placed at another site), you will eventually lose data!

A non-RAID configuration (including RAID 0, which isn't really RAID) with a backup on a separate media protects your data far better than any RAID-volume without backup.

All data storage consists of both the primary storage and the backups. It's your money and your data, spend the storage budget wisely or pay with your data!

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Re: WD RED Drives (WD10EFRX WD20EFRX WD30EFRX)

Postby Johnno72 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:14 am

P3R wrote:
Zodiak wrote:Also, should I wait for the 10TB WD Red Pros or stick with 8x8TB Red Pros? Thanks.
The only one in this forum that know if you need the additional capacity and can afford the higher cost is you, so I'd say that you're the only one that can answer that question correctly.

What I do know:
  • The largest capacity disks are usually the most expensive per byte.
  • Seagate Ironwolf Pro 10 TB have a 20% better MTBF and almost a factor 10(!) better Non-recoverable Read Errors per Bits Read than WD Red Pro.
  • Seagate Ironwolf Pro 10 TB are available at resellers now and WD Red Pro 10 TB isn't (that's in my market, you have to check your market).
  • Seagate Ironwolf Pro 10 TB are less costly than WD Red Pro 10 TB (7% less in my market now, you have to check your market).


And like my WD drives for some reason they have been removed from the QNAP Compatibility List which concerns me a little and is also why you really need to check this list https://www.qnap.com/en/compatibility/ especially if you are heading into the 6TB to 10TB drive capacities. I understand items are added and removed from this list, just concerns me that anything that was once compatible isn't now.. I will contact QNAP and ask just to kill the curiosity.

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Re: WD RED Drives (WD10EFRX WD20EFRX WD30EFRX)

Postby maryhaugen » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:26 pm

Can you suggest me for external backups?
I am so cool, lolz

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Re: RE: Re: WD RED Drives (WD10EFRX WD20EFRX WD30EFRX)

Postby johnripper » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:54 pm

maryhaugen wrote:Can you suggest me for external backups?
Yes

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