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Microsoft Update Service

Postby TRANCE_OZY » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:09 am

I would like to see a native QNAP service which would have the following features
1) Registration of Windows Computers for updates
2) Download of the updates for the Windows Computers from Microsoft
3) Scheduled Distribution of the updates to the windows computers on the local network

This would have the advantage of minimizing the downloading of patches reducing network costs for the home user
Centralizing distribution of patches
Easier administration for the home user

Of course Microsoft would also have to come to the party to allow home users to change where the updates are downloaded from.

This could also be achieved by installing a virtual machine and running Microsofts CCM as the distribution software. However this involves additional license costs for the Microsoft Server.

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Re: Microsoft Update Service

Postby giopas » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:48 pm

I am not an expert of this, but I am afraid that you should in any case pay a license to Microsoft to do what you want as - afaik - there is no third party application able to achieve such tasks. But I may be wrong.

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Re: Microsoft Update Service

Postby Johnno72 » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:41 am

These KB updates and patches are available online directly from MS already not to mention Windows Update is automatic itself, perhaps you can point to this using a torrent package, download the KB patches to your NAS and then you can distribute from there.

I would highly doubt MS would implement this, when they have their hands full with Windows 10 and now Windows Server 2012 are both being worked on heavily in the Insider Preview program. As for home user network costs, they are already covered in their monthly unlimited internet data allowance.

Remember that MS have implemented the Windows Update UUP Program back in December 2016 that reduces the 3Gb update to smaller size by only pushing out particular updated components and not the entire OS.
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Re: Microsoft Update Service

Postby Toxic17 » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:25 am

I doubt it will happen due to security issues surround this.

so imagine someone hacks this type of distribution and you get malware updates instead of the MS updates.

you can however setup one of your Windows 10 or 2012 to be a distribution point.

goto windows settings, update & security, advanced options, the click on "choose how updates are delivered"

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Re: Microsoft Update Service

Postby johnripper » Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:42 pm

TRANCE_OZY wrote:1) Registration of Windows Computers for updates

How should this be achieved? The NAS cant know which computer it should push updates too.

Due to the fact the MS Update Services are "pull". The computers need to contact the Update Services and not vice versa.

Setup a Windows Server incl. ADDomain and WSUS, this should resolve your problem.

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Re: Microsoft Update Service

Postby Johnno72 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:58 am

TRANCE_OZY wrote:I would like to see a native QNAP service which would have the following features
1) Registration of Windows Computers for updates
2) Download of the updates for the Windows Computers from Microsoft
3) Scheduled Distribution of the updates to the windows computers on the local network

This would have the advantage of minimizing the downloading of patches reducing network costs for the home user
Centralizing distribution of patches
Easier administration for the home user

Of course Microsoft would also have to come to the party to allow home users to change where the updates are downloaded from.

This could also be achieved by installing a virtual machine and running Microsofts CCM as the distribution software. However this involves additional license costs for the Microsoft Server.

Cheers
David C.

I understand fully that you want these updates downloaded to the QNAP and you distribute them from there, as you say to reduce your Internet traffic, in theory you could download the Microsoft KB files and place them on the QNAP then point your PC's to the QNAP, this would be manually done though, I use to do this with NT years ago. I have even seen one learning business with a base installation and every night (at 11pm) every PC that students have access to are reset back to default, updates are downloaded to the Main PC being the teachers (which is updated first) then all other PC's are updated from the network, crude but it works with some small hiccups.

However, with unlimited data nowadays there really isn't the need to worry about internet traffic no more. The biggest thing we look at now is the speed of the internet connection itself and the charges that come with these, such as ISP's bundling Home, Internet and Mobile packages!!! Like WTF do we need Home Landlines for? Even back to base alarm systems don't need a landline, throw in a $100 GSM card and bingo... you have outside access via mobile service, the landline is dead for all intense purposes, baring those MedicAlerts etc. but these are being replaced with GSM as well.

This is something for Microsoft to apply to their systems and I would think if the user were running Windows Server this would be applicable but for Windows in general, be it Home or Pro, Microsoft have introduced back in December '16 the UUP update platform which is nothing but seriously buggy and is causing nothing but trouble with updating of Windows OS. The UUP update platform simply reduces the amount of files being sent to each PC therefore in turn reducing the download size of the update, the reduced size is simply done by not updating those files that don't need updating.

If we look in the Windows Update under settings you can see the option to download the updates from Microsoft and from other PC's on your network, so if you are seeing much more network traffic then this is one reason as to why. Eventually, anything that you want under Windows OS will be a subscription based service as Windows OS is moving also to the WAS, which is Windows as A Service.
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