Need help setting up TR-004 to Windows PC

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Need help setting up TR-004 to Windows PC

Post by andrewerodriguez » Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:02 am

Hi QNAP community,

I am a filmmaker who purchased a TR-004 with four Seagate Ironwolf 8tb drives with hopes that I could set up a RAID5 group. I plan on transferring footage onto here after I'm done editing on my main nvme drives.

I am a complete beginner to all of this. I was able to download QNAP External RAID Manager to update my TR-004's firmware to the latest version, and I was also able to setup a RAID5 group.

However, it says unformatted under format on QNAP External RAID Manager so I figure that is probably why I can't see the RAID5 group as a disk when I open up File Explorer (I'm not sure if that is how its supposed to be accessed to be honest).

When I click on unformatted, it says: Created RAID Group "TR-004 RAID Group 1". To format the RAID Group as a disk, use Windows Disk management or third party software EaseUS Partition Master.

When I click on Windows Disk Management, a prompt shows up asking me to initialize a disk before Logical Disk manager can access it. Disk 1 is selected, and it gives me two options for the partition style of the selected disk: MBR or GPT. What do I choose?

Also, what are the next steps I should take when formatting the drives through Windows Disk management? Or is it easy enough for a complete noob like me to understand?

Thank you!

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Re: Need help setting up TR-004 to Windows PC

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:08 am

andrewerodriguez wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:02 am
...
Hi andrew,

hm... i hope you aren't planning on using this type of device for video editing directly from? you should try get advise from bob who is an expert on that subject
search.php?author_id=270185&sr=posts


anyhow, in regards to formating the drives is easy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-i_-lQ2TPo



Disk Partitioning | MBR vs GPT | Explained
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxbPN1ckmJA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch9f7i0hj90



try gpt first if that works. then use the tr-004 windows app to configure raid5 on the device.


Mike explains how this device works and is setup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4VU0Zjzkqc


however in mike's example, he was setting up via qts attaching the tr-004 to a qnap nas. i recommend you setup via the windows app to create the raid5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWKbLYL2Cb4


this guy did a mini review on reddit, recommended to check it out
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/co ... e_results/



you can go to the product page and check the manual to find out what is the difference between RAID 5 (supports 3 or 4 drives) and Software control modes using the dip switches.
HTWingNut-

If you use Software RAID you can control the RAID with the Windows or Mac software they provide. It will still be hardware RAID. You can then plug it into any other PC and it will see it as a single drive as configured with the software.

found this that helps explain about formating brand new drives
https://softwarekeep.com/help-center/so ... windows-10
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Re: Need help setting up TR-004 to Windows PC

Post by andrewerodriguez » Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:41 pm

Moogle Stiltzkin wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:08 am
andrewerodriguez wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:02 am
...
Hi andrew,

hm... i hope you aren't planning on using this type of device for video editing directly from? you should try get advise from bob who is an expert on that subject
search.php?author_id=270185&sr=posts


anyhow, in regards to formating the drives is easy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-i_-lQ2TPo



Disk Partitioning | MBR vs GPT | Explained
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxbPN1ckmJA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch9f7i0hj90



try gpt first if that works. then use the tr-004 windows app to configure raid5 on the device.


Mike explains how this device works and is setup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4VU0Zjzkqc


however in mike's example, he was setting up via qts attaching the tr-004 to a qnap nas. i recommend you setup via the windows app to create the raid5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWKbLYL2Cb4


this guy did a mini review on reddit, recommended to check it out
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/co ... e_results/



you can go to the product page and check the manual to find out what is the difference between RAID 5 (supports 3 or 4 drives) and Software control modes using the dip switches.
HTWingNut-

If you use Software RAID you can control the RAID with the Windows or Mac software they provide. It will still be hardware RAID. You can then plug it into any other PC and it will see it as a single drive as configured with the software.

found this that helps explain about formating brand new drives
https://softwarekeep.com/help-center/so ... windows-10

Thank you so much Moogle! I really appreciate your help. Those videos really helped clear some of my questions up.

After selecting GPT, should I format the disk using NTFS or another format? I don't plan on editing on the TR-004. I plan on editing off the NVME drives and storing the final cuts and footage onto the TR-004 once I'm finished with each project. The files will be pretty big.

Thanks!

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Re: Need help setting up TR-004 to Windows PC

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:16 am

read here
https://www.thestreamingblog.com/qnap-t ... re-review/

when i was looking through it, it shows this
https://i0.wp.com/www.thestreamingblog. ... 1017&ssl=1


https://i0.wp.com/www.thestreamingblog. ... =615&ssl=1


https://i0.wp.com/www.thestreamingblog. ... 1017&ssl=1



so you are sure the qnap external raid manager told you to format the drives first using disk management yeah? or did it say it can format the drives using the qnap app?

anyway just select ntfs, once you are done, go back to the qnap app, create the raid, and you should be done (raid5 ext4 if that is an option) :)
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Re: Need help setting up TR-004 to Windows PC

Post by andrewerodriguez » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:28 am

Thanks again Moogle.

To answer your question: Yes, when I click on "unformatted", it prompts me to go to disk management first. I had already created a RAID5 group using QNAP Eternal Raid manager. I remember going through this very same prompt but for RAID5: https://i0.wp.com/www.thestreamingblog. ... =615&ssl=1

I don't think the QNAP External RAID Manager app ever gave me the option to format the drives using the same app.

I'm at work at the moment but I will report back to you later once I try your advice about formatting the drives using NTFS. After formatting them using NTFS, would I have to recreate the raid group using the QNAP External RAID Manager app?

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Re: Need help setting up TR-004 to Windows PC

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:37 am

thx for clarifying.

plz do report back how it goes, especially the part after you make the software create the raid5, what are the options provided?
andrewerodriguez wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:28 am
I'm at work at the moment but I will report back to you later once I try your advice about formatting the drives using NTFS. After formatting them using NTFS, would I have to recreate the raid group using the QNAP External RAID Manager app?
correct. i don't have a tr-004 so i can't fully say for sure how it works, i'm just guiding you along since i know how the qnap stuff generally tends to work. but i do have a tl-d400s, but the way that was done is to create the raid5 from qts. but with the tr-004 series you can create the raid directly on the tr-004 since it has hardware i believe? my model does not :(
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[Backup] QNAP TS-653A w. 5x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) EXT4 Raid5
[Backup] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) 2x 4TB Seagate Ironwolf, Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-659 Pro II
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-253D
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[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

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