TimeMachine and Mac OS Lion

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Re: TimeMachine and Mac OS Lion

Post by tco » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:12 am

when can we expect 3.5b4?

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Re: TimeMachine and Mac OS Lion

Post by sodium » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:13 pm

QNAP just released 3.4.4 718T

and one of the enhancements is:

- [AFP] Added "AFP DHX2 support" to allow access to the NAS from Mac OSX Lion 10.7.

this is what I call Just-in-Time :-)
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Re: TimeMachine and Mac OS Lion

Post by sodium » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:15 pm

QNAP released just the 3.4.4 718T

one of the fixes is

- [AFP] Added "AFP DHX2 support" to allow access to the NAS from Mac OSX Lion 10.7.
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Re: TimeMachine and Mac OS Lion

Post by obimk1 » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:22 pm

Hmm, the official Lion is now out.

I also have a QNAP 419P+ (turbo) with latest firmware installed.

Installed LIon on 27"imac, after Boot into Lion, OS complains that it cannot connect to AFP shares.
However after disabling and re-enabling TM support in QNAP webinterface, AFP share can be connected.

However TimeMachine backup fails with message that states: "This AFP feature is not supported by the selected TM back-up disk."

Also it is not possible to connect to the SAMBA share.

Recap;

Can connect to AFP share in finder
But TM backup does not work due to a: "missing: ÄFP feature on the selected TM backup disk."
Cannot connect to the SAMBA share.

Will check later for console messages.

HTH

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Re: TimeMachine and Mac OS Lion

Post by schumaku » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:46 pm

obimk1 wrote:Hmm, the official Lion is now out.
And of course you could not resist to follow without investigating when Steve was calling :D

obimk1 wrote:I also have a QNAP 419P+ (turbo) with latest firmware installed.
Please always provide the version. Very different impressions what "newest" is, and much more also for future readers.

In the NAS Admin Web UI, go to Home >> Network Services >> Apple Networking and activate DHX2 ... it's on by default by the way in the "newest" v3.4.4 firmware :shock:

obimk1 wrote:However TimeMachine backup fails with message that states: "This AFP feature is not supported by the selected TM back-up disk."
Well known and answered many times before: There is no OS X Lion TM support before v3.5.

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Re: TimeMachine and Mac OS Lion

Post by page3 » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:56 pm

If it makes anyone feel better, my Netgear ReadyNAS doesn't suppor Lion for either AFP OR TimeMachine!

So, back to USB backups for now.

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Re: TimeMachine and Mac OS Lion

Post by obimk1 » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:56 pm

schumaku wrote:
obimk1 wrote:Hmm, the official Lion is now out.
And of course you could not resist to follow without investigating when Steve was calling :D


Well my QNAP did not work correctly even with SL, In a way I hoped hat the new AFP implementation would fix that

schumaku wrote:
obimk1 wrote:I also have a QNAP 419P+ (turbo) with latest firmware installed.
Please always provide the version. Very different impressions what "newest" is, and much more also for future readers.


3.4.3 Build0520

But yesterday, the latest version was not available for me yet.

schumaku wrote:In the NAS Admin Web UI, go to Home >> Network Services >> Apple Networking and activate DHX2 ... it's on by default by the way in the "newest" v3.4.4 firmware :shock:

obimk1 wrote:However TimeMachine backup fails with message that states: "This AFP feature is not supported by the selected TM back-up disk."
Well known and answered many times before: There is no OS X Lion TM support before v3.5.


Ok understood, but that was with the 'non official' Lion version, its was possible that the version that came out yesterday could have some changes that effected this issue. Even a GM can be different from the shipped version, and Apple also activated functions in the official Lion release (when it came out) which were not active in the GM, so the GM version lacked some functionality that the Lion version that came out yesterday does have...

I wanted to be complete on this issue.

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Re: TimeMachine and Mac OS Lion

Post by schumaku » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:06 pm

obimk1 wrote:Well my QNAP did not work correctly even with SL, In a way I hoped hat the new AFP implementation would fix that
there is no new AFP implementaiton in place - just an additional authentication scheme was added so OS X Lion can work AFP with the NAS.

If you experienced issue with AFP with Snow Leopard before, it's potentially
a) an issue with one or some applicaiton(s) using AFP features not fully or completely implemented on the NAS, or
b) an issue specific to your NAS.

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Re: TimeMachine and Mac OS Lion

Post by sodium » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:18 pm

yet another guy claiming that changing back to DHCAST128 should solve the TM/AFP problem

I do not have access to a Lion + QNAP setup at this moment to test this...

http://www.alexanderwilde.com/2011/04/o ... orkaround/
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Re: TimeMachine and Mac OS Lion

Post by schumaku » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:22 pm

sodium wrote:yet another guy claiming that changing back to DHCAST128 should solve the TM/AFP problem
As the title says, It's only a workaround for the long connection time on AFP - it can NOT fix TimeMachine.

Final v3.5 firmware will address the repeated processing time for the initial AFP share access (reduce to one wait per client) and TimeMachine on OS X Lion.

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Re: TimeMachine and Mac OS Lion

Post by tco » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:22 pm

schumaku wrote:Final v3.5 firmware will address the repeated processing time for the initial AFP share access (reduce to one wait per client) and TimeMachine on OS X Lion.



When can one expect 3.5 and/or a beta to support TM?

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Re: TimeMachine and Mac OS Lion

Post by schumaku » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:45 pm

tco wrote:When can one expect 3.5 and/or a beta to support TM?
Browse back this thread for some entries viewtopic.php?f=30&t=46511#p211409 - It's a pure guess, I'm not QNAP.

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Re: TimeMachine and Mac OS Lion

Post by tco » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:11 pm

schumaku wrote:
tco wrote:When can one expect 3.5 and/or a beta to support TM?
Browse back this thread for some entries viewtopic.php?f=30&t=46511#p211409 - It's a pure guess, I'm not QNAP.



I read the whole thread. :D That's why I'm asking....it's not real clear on 3.5 time-frame. Hopefully someone @ QNAP can chime in.

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Re: TimeMachine and Mac OS Lion

Post by ghuber » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:00 pm

tco wrote:
schumaku wrote:Browse back this thread for some entries viewtopic.php?f=30&t=46511#p211409 - It's a pure guess, I'm not QNAP.


I read the whole thread. :D That's why I'm asking....it's not real clear on 3.5 time-frame. Hopefully someone @ QNAP can chime in.


The developers/publishers of Duke Nukem Forever would have said "when it's ready" :-)

Can anyone confirm the rumors I've read (I think in the German support forum) that the DHX2 authentication issue is due to the "weak" ARM CPUs (such as my TS-110)? I have so far stayed at FW 3.4.2, but now with Lion, will I experience slow AFP performance as well?

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Re: TimeMachine and Mac OS Lion

Post by schumaku » Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:07 am

Hallo Gerog,
ghuber wrote:The developers/publishers of Duke Nukem Forever would have said "when it's ready" :-)
...and tested 8)
ghuber wrote:...the DHX2 authentication issue is due to the "weak" ARM CPUs (such as my TS-110)?
The slower the processor the longer the authentication process - and the 800 MHz Mavell ARM is not a powerhouse for this business.
ghuber wrote: I have so far stayed at FW 3.4.2, but now with Lion, will I experience slow AFP performance as well?
It's not slow performance - it's the time required until the AFP session is established. QNAP V3.4.2 has DHX2 enabled by default, the AFP client will pick the best method available. Unless you are using an elderly OS X where the AFP client is not supporting DHX2 yet - every initial share connection using DHX2 will take it's time.

With v3.5 and netatalk 2.2, the CPU-intensive processing will be executed on the initial share connection from a client (and user), all subsequent share connections will not massively delayed anymore.

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