Virtualization Station - Windows 10 64-bit VM very slow

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Re: Virtualization Station - Windows 10 64-bit VM very slow

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Don't create a storage pool on the drive, set it up as a static volume.

Also don't use a single SSD for your VM's. It is fine for using for testing, but SSD's do wear out/go bad and there goes your VM with it. All mine are setup in raid-1 mirrors (both m.2 and 2.5").
Paul

Model: TS-877-1600 FW: 4.5.3.x
QTS (SSD): [RAID-1] 2 x 1TB WD Blue m.2's
Data (HDD): [RAID-5] 6 x 3TB HGST DeskStar
VMs (SSD): [RAID-1] 2 x1TB SK Hynix Gold
Ext. (HDD): TR-004 [Raid-5] 4 x 4TB HGST Ultastor
RAM: Kingston HyperX Fury 64GB DDR4-2666
UPS: CP AVR1350

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Re: Virtualization Station - Windows 10 64-bit VM very slow

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Hello,
I noticed very slow boot after the latest Windows 10 updates. I takes up to 10 min to launch the VM on my 877 with a Geforce 1050 GPU.
Same remark on slower QNAP devices without GPU.
Any idea ?
Thx
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Re: Virtualization Station - Windows 10 64-bit VM very slow

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yellowapple wrote:Hello,
I noticed very slow boot after the latest Windows 10 updates. I takes up to 10 min to launch the VM on my 877 with a Geforce 1050 GPU.
Same remark on slower QNAP devices without GPU.
Any idea ?
Thx
Sounds like you figured out the cause already “after latest WIndows 10 update”


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Model: TS-877-1600 FW: 4.5.3.x
QTS (SSD): [RAID-1] 2 x 1TB WD Blue m.2's
Data (HDD): [RAID-5] 6 x 3TB HGST DeskStar
VMs (SSD): [RAID-1] 2 x1TB SK Hynix Gold
Ext. (HDD): TR-004 [Raid-5] 4 x 4TB HGST Ultastor
RAM: Kingston HyperX Fury 64GB DDR4-2666
UPS: CP AVR1350

Model:TVS-673 32GB & TS-228a Offline[/color]
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Re: Virtualization Station - Windows 10 64-bit VM very slow

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@Trexx I think I will mirror your setup order two m.2 and two 2.5 SSDs and do it right.

Any suggestions to the m.2 SSDs you'd buy now vs what you bought already? Looks like WD Blue is about the same price as Reds, while Reds have a reported longer lifespan.

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Hey ML.

Well for starters, WD Red’s weren’t available in SSD when I got my Blue’s so I didn’t have a choice. :)

While WD Reds may have a longer warranty, I would verify if that warranty is voided the minute you put a heatsink/etc. on them. Many manufacturers seem to play that game these days.

Also I would verify if that warranty applies if you have exceeded their write endurance rating.

I did see a review of the WD Red basically saying it is the same guts as a WD Blue but with tweaked firmware.

Overall I think it’s a draw in general and either one is good.

I like the TLC Samsung EVO 860’s a little better, but hated the significant price difference.

To be honest, if I had to do again today I would look at getting a QM2 card and go with NVMe drives. The prices on them are almost the same price as SATA m.2’s.


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Model: TS-877-1600 FW: 4.5.3.x
QTS (SSD): [RAID-1] 2 x 1TB WD Blue m.2's
Data (HDD): [RAID-5] 6 x 3TB HGST DeskStar
VMs (SSD): [RAID-1] 2 x1TB SK Hynix Gold
Ext. (HDD): TR-004 [Raid-5] 4 x 4TB HGST Ultastor
RAM: Kingston HyperX Fury 64GB DDR4-2666
UPS: CP AVR1350

Model:TVS-673 32GB & TS-228a Offline[/color]
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Re: Virtualization Station - Windows 10 64-bit VM very slow

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Oh yes, I had completely forgotten about those QM2 cards! It looks like QM2-4P-384 is the way to go, and you get 4 slots. Here is what I am thinking:

Would you run the QTS on the QM2 cards as well, mix it in with other storage and forget about the slower stock m.2 slots? Or would you do something like two smaller 500GB SATA m.2 cards to fill the stock NAS slots solely for QTS, faster boot etc.., and then use the QM2 straight away for VMs and other hot storage? Anyone know how much disk activity QTS uses in general once you're already booted? I'm not sure if I would regret using the "slower" stock slots solely for QTS vs putting it on the QM2. Seems like a no brainer if you have faster speed available, but I do like the idea of having QTS on the stock slots so I am free to use the QM2 card storage as I wish without messing with QTS.

-ML
Model: TVS-872XT 16GB
Model: TS-877-1700 16GB
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