Weird title I know - just don't know what to title this with.
I'm new to this. Got the Qnap ts-251D and now was waiting for NAS drives to go on sale (apparently a rare event!). I found that Newegg has the Ironwolf 8TB (ST8000VN0022) on sale for $180 each. Was going to pull the trigger when I found I need to get a "compatible" drive for my NAS. Stupid me - I thought a NAS drive was a NAS drive and would work no matter what kind/size I got. So I guess I have to wait a bit longer until something compatible comes up.
Anyway, this leads to my question. I hear people are shucking the Easystore from BestBuy and using them in their NAS's. How would you know if they are compatible? I've read a bunch of threads on shucking but not once did anyone bring up a statement about them being compatible with various NAS's. What am I missing (if anything)?
Seagate Compatability - WHAT? SHUCKS, I Just found Out About This!
-
- New here
- Posts: 7
- Joined: Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:23 pm
- dolbyman
- Guru
- Posts: 35275
- Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:11 am
- Location: Vancouver BC , Canada
Re: Seagate Compatability - WHAT? SHUCKS, I Just found Out About This!
Where did you see that that drive is incompatible?
Incompatible would be:
- Weird pin outs (unsupported by the qnap)
- SMR (incompatible with time critical random writes)
- Excessive head parking (Green drives)
- non TLER (drives will try to fix errors and get kicked out)
Shucked drives can work, but nothing guarantees what drive you get (CMR,SMR) and what features have been disabled via firmware
Incompatible would be:
- Weird pin outs (unsupported by the qnap)
- SMR (incompatible with time critical random writes)
- Excessive head parking (Green drives)
- non TLER (drives will try to fix errors and get kicked out)
Shucked drives can work, but nothing guarantees what drive you get (CMR,SMR) and what features have been disabled via firmware
- Moogle Stiltzkin
- Guru
- Posts: 11445
- Joined: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:21 am
- Location: Around the world....
- Contact:
Re: Seagate Compatability - WHAT? SHUCKS, I Just found Out About This!
some people swear by shucking due to their price value. it may even be possible to claim warranty.
the people over at this subreddit can tell u how reliable these shucked drives are
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/
also when shucking, your basically playing the lottery
the people over at this subreddit can tell u how reliable these shucked drives are
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/
also when shucking, your basically playing the lottery
Last edited by Moogle Stiltzkin on Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
NAS
[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 (QTS) w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 +16gb ddr4 Crucial+ QWA-AC2600 wireless+QXP PCIE
[Backup] QNAP TS-653A (Truenas Core) w. 4x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) RaidZ1 ZFS + 8gb ddr3 Crucial
[^] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) 2x 4TB Seagate Ironwolf, Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-253D (Truenas Scale)
[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1
Network
Qotom Pfsense|100mbps FTTH | Win11, Ryzen 5600X Desktop (1x2tb Crucial P50 Plus M.2 SSD, 1x 8tb seagate Ironwolf,1x 4tb HGST Ultrastar 7K4000)
Resources
[Review] Moogle's QNAP experience
[Review] Moogle's TS-877 review
https://www.patreon.com/mooglestiltzkin
[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 (QTS) w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 +16gb ddr4 Crucial+ QWA-AC2600 wireless+QXP PCIE
[Backup] QNAP TS-653A (Truenas Core) w. 4x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) RaidZ1 ZFS + 8gb ddr3 Crucial
[^] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) 2x 4TB Seagate Ironwolf, Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-253D (Truenas Scale)
[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1
Network
Qotom Pfsense|100mbps FTTH | Win11, Ryzen 5600X Desktop (1x2tb Crucial P50 Plus M.2 SSD, 1x 8tb seagate Ironwolf,1x 4tb HGST Ultrastar 7K4000)
Resources
[Review] Moogle's QNAP experience
[Review] Moogle's TS-877 review
https://www.patreon.com/mooglestiltzkin
-
- New here
- Posts: 7
- Joined: Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:23 pm
Re: Seagate Compatability - WHAT? SHUCKS, I Just found Out About This!
Qnap has a compatibility page: https://www.qnap.com/en/compatibility/? ... category=1dolbyman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:24 pm Where did you see that that drive is incompatible?
Incompatible would be:
- Weird pin outs (unsupported by the qnap)
- SMR (incompatible with time critical random writes)
- Excessive head parking (Green drives)
- non TLER (drives will try to fix errors and get kicked out)
Shucked drives can work, but nothing guarantees what drive you get (CMR,SMR) and what features have been disabled via firmware
-
- New here
- Posts: 7
- Joined: Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:23 pm
Re: Seagate Compatability - WHAT? SHUCKS, I Just found Out About This!
This is not making sense to me at all. For kicks, I just went to Amazon and punched in WD Red 4TB (WD40EFRX) and the 8TB (WD80EFAX) that apparently share 21k reviews. Neither is on the compatibility page? What gives here? What am I missing? It would seem a "standard" NAS drive that so many others are using would be compatible.
I'm having second thoughts about getting this NAS!
I'm having second thoughts about getting this NAS!
Last edited by Username-007 on Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- dolbyman
- Guru
- Posts: 35275
- Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:11 am
- Location: Vancouver BC , Canada
Re: Seagate Compatability - WHAT? SHUCKS, I Just found Out About This!
that list is tested drives..that does not mean that qnap tests every new variation with every NAS on their website
there is also compatible UPS units that are not on the list (etc)
there is also compatible UPS units that are not on the list (etc)
-
- New here
- Posts: 7
- Joined: Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:23 pm
Re: Seagate Compatability - WHAT? SHUCKS, I Just found Out About This!
Okay (and forgive if a stupid question) so based on your first response, I'm way over analyzing this! Your saying any of these "standard" NAS drives should definitely work?
And ... I'm going to say THANKS now as I got to go to bed!
- dolbyman
- Guru
- Posts: 35275
- Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:11 am
- Location: Vancouver BC , Canada
Re: Seagate Compatability - WHAT? SHUCKS, I Just found Out About This!
NAS or enterprise drive that is NOT SMR (WD RED non Plus/Pro) and it ahould be fine..dont overanalyze it
-
- New here
- Posts: 7
- Joined: Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:23 pm