QuMagie - Store and auto-organize your photos on QNAP NAS

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QuMagie - Store and auto-organize your photos on QNAP NAS

Post by andersoncheng » Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:34 pm

Any one already start to use QuMagie to manage photo ?

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Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:49 pm

well i tried to, but honestly i'm waiting for qts 4.4.1 to be stable first.

i made a mini review in my qts 4.4.1 thread
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=148720&p=727158#p727158


all suggestions and reports i already sent to helpdesk :)
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Re: QuMagie - Store and auto-organize your photos on QNAP NAS

Post by Jägerschnitzel » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:26 pm

Yes, I did. While I am fairly happy with QuMagie and the general facial recognition a set of improvements and issues prevail:
Many faces are grouped in small 'who is this' groups even though they all belong to the same person. After adding more faces to a identified person there seems to be no re-analysis if other faces could fit now.
There is no way of correcting a false face tag (i.e. this picture does not contain person x; even better: it is person Y instead)
There is no option to say 'this is NOT a person' or 'do not identify this person'
I am missing plenty of faces (e.g. I am sure I have hundred of pictures of person X --but am getting only a handful identified)
I would love to have an option of 'check the unidentified pictures if you can identify new people'. Unfortunately, the only option I see to run a complete rescan losing all my identified faces and starting over from scratch.

On the things: While I see the landing page with identified things whenever I click on a category I am getting an empty page only saying something like 'system is generating thumbnails' (my system is in German so I am trying to translate). Of course this is wrong as all thumbnails are available.

On the places: No idea based on what information places are identified. All my 100k+ pictures do have GPS data included but QuMagie only identifies 3 places in total -- all from the most recent pictures only. And placed does not even show up in the QuMagie app on Android.

Lastly, I would love to have a few more control options over QUMagie like control of CPU consumption, thresholds (identify as person above certaintly level X) and more detailed reports (e.g. faces found, faces identified, persons identified, things identified, ...)

Of course am more than happy to discuss further with you.
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Re: QuMagie - Store and auto-organize your photos on QNAP NAS

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:15 pm

Jägerschnitzel wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:26 pm
Yes, I did. While I am fairly happy with QuMagie and the general facial recognition a set of improvements and issues prevail:
agreed :)

Jägerschnitzel wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:26 pm
Many faces are grouped in small 'who is this' groups even though they all belong to the same person. After adding more faces to a identified person there seems to be no re-analysis if other faces could fit now.
well i am not privy to exactly how this facial recognition quite works. is it smart enough to use the user corrections to make even better facial recognition based on that? that is the question :'

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Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:26 pm
There is no way of correcting a false face tag (i.e. this picture does not contain person x; even better: it is person Y instead)
some correction is indeed possible, but will require user interaction to correct the mistake. some such examples...

1. a picture that is not a person, i edit and flag it as not a person.
2. person grouped in wrong person folder. select the image then add to the correct person tag.


however not all the time does correcting these mistakes works or is possible. some examples of impossible situation

-if a person is not the front cover pic for the tagged person, and the pic has multiple persons in it, then how do you know which person this photo is tagged for. in previous facial tagging app, we had face boxes. in qumagie we no longer have that. you cannot just assume that the photo is tagging for that face, cause i noticed some pics where they incorrectly tag a photo (the face box is not the face, or may not even be the same person even).


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Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:26 pm
There is no option to say 'this is NOT a person' or 'do not identify this person'
There is this option. go to the image, click the top right there should be options, click edit. then select the this is not a person. I think at this point it will remove that photo from the people album.

Jägerschnitzel wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:26 pm
I am missing plenty of faces (e.g. I am sure I have hundred of pictures of person X --but am getting only a handful identified)
i noticed this also. but then again most of my pics are anime characters, and not real life people so mine is not the best case scenario for testing "peoples/persons" facial detection. It does detect some, but not necessarily all of them from what i saw. Instead there is the objects folder with sub groups like cartoons.... :( where these kinds of pics are mostly located.

Jägerschnitzel wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:26 pm
I would love to have an option of 'check the unidentified pictures if you can identify new people'. Unfortunately, the only option I see to run a complete rescan losing all my identified faces and starting over from scratch.
i am wondering about this also. you have no idea which pics were not scanned by qumagie, instead you have to start right over from scratch and ASSUME that it has indeed scanned all the pics based on your selection in multimedia console > qumagie media folder locations that you set.

You have no way to filter whether any pics did not yet get scanned by qumagie, and just scan for those only..... seems odd :'

Jägerschnitzel wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:26 pm
On the things: While I see the landing page with identified things whenever I click on a category I am getting an empty page only saying something like 'system is generating thumbnails' (my system is in German so I am trying to translate). Of course this is wrong as all thumbnails are available.
not sure about this :shock:


Jägerschnitzel wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:26 pm
On the places: No idea based on what information places are identified. All my 100k+ pictures do have GPS data included but QuMagie only identifies 3 places in total -- all from the most recent pictures only. And placed does not even show up in the QuMagie app on Android.
hmm :'


Jägerschnitzel wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:26 pm
Lastly, I would love to have a few more control options over QUMagie like control of CPU consumption, thresholds (identify as person above certaintly level X) and more detailed reports (e.g. faces found, faces identified, persons identified, things identified, ...)

Of course am more than happy to discuss further with you.
my thoughts on this is that they should ADD BACK the facial tagging boxes. Because i notice that some pics those facial boxes on the front cover are incorrect. There is no way to adjust that. The only option is to say is "this is not a person". But what if the picture does have a person in it, so the only correction would be to readjust the facial box to cover the persons face. but i don't see any option to do that (you could previously with the old app, but not any longer).



i too am delighted to discuss this since i am also interested in this app. and it's good to exchange thoughts on this subject.

but that said, don't forget to make a formal feature request or bug report to helpdesk so they can fix this issues. i did also.
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Re: QuMagie - Store and auto-organize your photos on QNAP NAS

Post by Jägerschnitzel » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:36 pm

some correction is indeed possible, but will require user interaction to correct the mistake. some such examples...

1. a picture that is not a person, i edit and flag it as not a person.
2. person grouped in wrong person folder. select the image then add to the correct person tag.
Unfortunately, I have neither of these options available. There is no 'not a person' option anywhere. And when editing I only get the option to set or remove a regular tag but not a person tag. This no matter whether I am logged in as user or admin.
There is this option. go to the image, click the top right there should be options, click edit. then select the this is not a person. I think at this point it will remove that photo from the people album.
As said, not here. Running a TS-853A with FW 4.4.1.1086 and QuMagie 1.1.1, QuMagie Core 1.0.5: Browser being either Edge Dev or Chrome.
but that said, don't forget to make a formal feature request or bug report to helpdesk so they can fix this issues. i did also.
Will do :)
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Post by Jägerschnitzel » Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:14 pm

Have to correct myself -- just now I found the option to correct the person tagging; though admittedly it's very well hidden ;)
In my case I have to open the folder, mark the picture and *then* I can edit. Unfortunately, if I do so I am getting a 'unknown error' :(
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Re: QuMagie - Store and auto-organize your photos on QNAP NAS

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:13 pm

i got a qumagie ticket open report issue. they want me to remote to help with issue but i cannot... random reboots :(
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Post by Jägerschnitzel » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:38 pm

too bad! My ticket up now now is untouched :) Will wait and see...
Hope you'll get your random reboots fixed!
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Re: QuMagie - Store and auto-organize your photos on QNAP NAS

Post by Guapo81 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:17 pm

I've been playing around with the new QTS and thus Multimedia console, Qumagie and core recently since I updated to the new QTS (4.4.1) and in my opinion it's work in progress.
Just a few issues I'm encountering;

* Scanning for multimedia content I have it set on real time, but somehow not all newly added content is showing in Qumagie, it is in Qphoto somehow (and it looks like it only happens with pictures)
* Manually pressing the button "generate now" in multimedia console content thumbnail generation is doing nothing in my case
* Facial recognition still has the same bugs in my opinion, that it had in the old photo station add-ons, like not being able to change the person recognised; viewtopic.php?f=21&t=116305&p=678570#p678570
* Selecting one picture and trying to change the facial recognition tag results in my case also in the same error; 'unknown error'

Had some other smaller issues as well, but I have to play with it a little bit more and then submit a ticket to qnap.
But anyway, thought I'd share this for now.

B.t.w. In general the new Qumagie, also from the U.I. side looks very nice, but again I think it's "work in progress"
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Re: QuMagie - Store and auto-organize your photos on QNAP NAS

Post by Jägerschnitzel » Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:07 pm

Fun fact: After my (english) ticket eventually got processed by a (german) support resource the response was (translated): "The application is beta which is still being tested. We recommend to wait for the stable version" :roll:
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