PC rig for your network? showcase your builds (share tips)

Introduce yourself to us and other members here, or share your own product reviews, suggestions, and tips and tricks of using QNAP products.
Locked
User avatar
Moogle Stiltzkin
Guru
Posts: 11448
Joined: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:21 am
Location: Around the world....
Contact:

PC rig for your network? showcase your builds (share tips)

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin »

I'm doing a major upgrade for my Pc system, cause i've been using an intel ivy bridge for a long time now and suspect there is some issue since i get stuck at 100% cpu from time to time (yes i checked for viruses but couldn't find anything). Not to mention need a new system to run the new windows 11.


So this is what i came up with after doing my own research 8) *made some mistakes here and there, but nothing too fatal. so don't necessarily copy my build if you plan to build your own. learn from my mistakes and choose better. not to mention your budget and requirements may differ from mine :wink:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nBpLvf


AMD RYZEN 5 5600X *might not be the best performer or even the best bang for buck in 2021. but it's good enuff for me in terms of performance, value and just doing what i need it to do. But before you run out and get this, probly check out Jay's video, cause the Intel may have a very competitive option for this. that said why i went with amd is because i want to support amd, also it has a lower TDP compared to the Intel. another consideration is, can you wait for 2022 for the next ryzen gen? food for thought
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdAEg_cd8Xk
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/I ... 4070vs4084


ASUS ROG STRIX X570-E Gaming Wifi II *almost went with a b550, but ended up going for this because it had some features i needed that the b550s didn't offer sadly (although it did come close. and performance wise b550 doesn't have an issue unless u really need pcie 4 support). Also this board is a revision 2 of the original. The main difference is they removed the motherboard active fan cooler because the new chipset does not require it and so it was replaced with passive cooling (1 less part to worry about possible failure), also some features that were reserved for crosshair extreme and dark hero were now also included to the Strix revision 2. This rev just recently came out, so if you do order this board, make sure they are sending you the updated revision that comes with more polished features (for the same price). it's so new that i could not find much reviews on this revision 2 board out :shock: i was so worried that the online retailer send me rev1, but after some clarification, he sent revision 2, phew :D

Code: Select all

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/powlr4/new_lowercost_x570_motherboard_with_dynamic_oc/
https://youtu.be/ynmQ_l5LT4A?t=2637
https://youtu.be/cGtgGw7roUY


1080 gtx graphics card (graphics card prices right now are insane. so i don't mind using a perfectly working graphics. I only play and watch on 1080p 24'' monitor anyway, so i don't need the best)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fjv9LbA3vE
https://youtu.be/RUictr3wT2U

Code: Select all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_m2i5hU9jM

G.SKILL Trident Z Neo DDR4 Desktop RAM | Dual Channel Kit | 3600MHz (F4-3600C18D-32GTZN) *may have been fine going for a 3200mMHz cl16 but this was recommended
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phon8PJf-6w

Scythe Fuma 2 (i got this because of the questionable results with the mugen 5 black. Also this is the recommendation by a credible reviewer. Another reason is because out of most of the candidates this is probably one of the most silent ones of the lot)
https://youtu.be/BT0UtQQ1rEo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KebELRNwIbY
https://www.igorslab.de/en/scythe-fuma- ... rounder/2/

Code: Select all

https://youtu.be/KebELRNwIbY
Scythe Mugen 5 BLACK Edition (SCMG-5100BE)   *almost got a noctua but i was convinced this was just as good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaOtSLIZgqY
*update
If you want to nitpick seems like there is some criticism for this cpu cooler. almost 10c extra temp difference because of the black paint they used? thats not good optics :shock:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comme ... dition_is/

https://www.igorslab.de/en/scythe-mugen ... -test-2/3/


Fractal Design Torrent Black TG Light Tint FD-C-TOR1A-01 *lots of reviewers were impressed by this case, also i really appreciate the fractal teams ethiques by doing a recall in regards to their hub issue on a timely and transparent manner. not only do i get to support a company the right thing, i also get a good case in the process :mrgreen:
https://youtu.be/HBxo2_lwKps

Code: Select all

https://youtu.be/R1EcppuGxCY
Seagate Ironwolf NAS 8TB sata HDD (download stuff here. almost went with a 4tb. perhaps could have saved money and gone with a desktop model and set it to spin down on idle, but i rather spend a bit more on a more reliable drive)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKQhTgsYsM4

Crucial P5 Plus M.2 NVMe SSD 2tb (the hynix no stock. So i got this instead. It's probly not the best in it's category, but it was what was available and it was within my budget. the SK hynix Gold p31 is recommended if you are planning on using for systems that require more power efficiency like a laptop or something along those lines)
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cr ... ssd-review
SK hynix Gold P31 2tb (for OS and games. it's not a gen4 ssd, but it's good enuff for me. I made the rounds before deciding to get this brand, because there were just way too many ssd brands scamming people, so i only stumbled on this one that seemed decent and without any recent drama on a similar rug pull situation *for now)
Seasonic Focus+ 650 PSU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_AsgmofY8Q


*almost ordered a Gigabyte M27Q, because it's a very nice budget gaming ips monitor, but i'm not too fussy on this. so maybe next time. but if someone is looking for a monitor with good value, this is my recommendation. So i'm just reusing my existing monitor which i'm perfectly ok with.


this new system has 2.5gbe but i don't have a switch beyond 1gbe. but at least my pc is not the bottleneck. bit by bit i can move to higher than 1gbe eventually for my networking :) May consider a 10gbe addon card in future if i do get a 10gbe switch eventually.


With this new case, i have a plethora of I/Os incombination with motherboard. For example there is a usb type c header which i can connect to the case front side which is neat.

you can see the case review here, (lots of the reviewers luv this case and i did also. but what i liked about it besides the looks is the dust filters, and easy to maintain it compared to what i already have)

Code: Select all

https://youtu.be/dsc6DBkk97o

So this system i feel should work quite well for my qnap networking needs :)


but bottomline, if you plan to buy a new rig this year, check this video since it's the main deciding factor if you should go AMD or Intel, based on the results and other considerations
https://youtu.be/uP_2A3Zwzi8

Code: Select all

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-core-i5-12600k-vs-amd-ryzen-5-5600x/
Care to share your builds? and any commentary what components is helping you out the most.



PS: if your planning to get a new system, you can wait for the upcoming ryzen out next year? but thats using ddr5 (30% more expensive than ddr4 for little gain), and as supply is getting tighter and tigher maybe costs for components is just gonna keep going up (my speculation). the new chip factories being built won't be ready until a few years time so.... :S the signs are here. when i tried to order ram, i was told by the shop the supplier doesn't know when they'll get stock. and another that did, had a 8 weeks waiting time :shock: so i ended ordering online for instant shipping (since luckily they had 2 pieces left :shock: ....)

https://youtu.be/NIhVzUuv1rg
Last edited by Moogle Stiltzkin on Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:12 am, edited 25 times in total.
NAS
[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 (QTS) w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 +16gb ddr4 Crucial+ QWA-AC2600 wireless+QXP PCIE
[Backup] QNAP TS-653A (Truenas Core) w. 4x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) RaidZ1 ZFS + 8gb ddr3 Crucial
[^] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) 2x 4TB Seagate Ironwolf, Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-253D (Truenas Scale)
[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

Network
Qotom Pfsense|100mbps FTTH | Win11, Ryzen 5600X Desktop (1x2tb Crucial P50 Plus M.2 SSD, 1x 8tb seagate Ironwolf,1x 4tb HGST Ultrastar 7K4000)


Resources
[Review] Moogle's QNAP experience
[Review] Moogle's TS-877 review
https://www.patreon.com/mooglestiltzkin
User avatar
OneCD
Guru
Posts: 12038
Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:48 am
Location: "... there, behind that sofa!"

Re: PC rig for your network? showcase your builds (share tips)

Post by OneCD »

@Moogle, is this NAS-related? ;)

ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
User avatar
Moogle Stiltzkin
Guru
Posts: 11448
Joined: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:21 am
Location: Around the world....
Contact:

Re: PC rig for your network? showcase your builds (share tips)

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin »

yeh but i thought id just start a thread for what pc system people using for their networks ^^ for a change..... u have your nas, your switches, your router, then on the other end of things, you have your pc. so what pc system will work on that side of things is the angle im approaching from this for nas related :D and while on the subject, may as well go for a full build share for anyone looking to build a new system in 2021, so thought i'd share my own build 8)

after all u need a pc rig to access stuff on your network (not precisely, since any device that can access the network like your smartphone, tablet can as well usually via wifi. but the thread is focused on desktop pc side of things) and the appropriate components whether ur doing 1gbe, 2.5gbe, 10gbe, or whatever. so what do u need for that on the pc side.

10gbe networking, probly ssd? and an addon card :'

Take this for example
https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/commen ... 10gbe_hdd/
SufficientDare

Even if the Network itself is technically faster than most SSDs (assuming you're talking about mostly consumer-graded SSDs with an average speed of around 500 mB/s), I'd take the SSDs.

The HDDs are always slower, because they can't read/write data at 10Gb speed. All your data is transfering at 10Gb speed to your server, but the bottleneck are the HDDs then writing much much slower.

10Gb network is nice on the long run, but getting SSDs is more important to start with, in my opinion.

so when building a pc rig with those (networking) and other usage (gaming, or general) in mind, what is everyone using i wondered for ideas 8)
Last edited by Moogle Stiltzkin on Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:02 pm, edited 2 times in total.
NAS
[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 (QTS) w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 +16gb ddr4 Crucial+ QWA-AC2600 wireless+QXP PCIE
[Backup] QNAP TS-653A (Truenas Core) w. 4x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) RaidZ1 ZFS + 8gb ddr3 Crucial
[^] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) 2x 4TB Seagate Ironwolf, Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-253D (Truenas Scale)
[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

Network
Qotom Pfsense|100mbps FTTH | Win11, Ryzen 5600X Desktop (1x2tb Crucial P50 Plus M.2 SSD, 1x 8tb seagate Ironwolf,1x 4tb HGST Ultrastar 7K4000)


Resources
[Review] Moogle's QNAP experience
[Review] Moogle's TS-877 review
https://www.patreon.com/mooglestiltzkin
User avatar
Moogle Stiltzkin
Guru
Posts: 11448
Joined: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:21 am
Location: Around the world....
Contact:

Re: PC rig for your network? showcase your builds (share tips)

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin »

for motherboard, most are coming out with 2.5gbe these days, but there are some premium boards that do come with 10gbe inbuilt such as this one

Asus ROG Crosshair Extreme (this is an interesting board that came with both 2.5gbe and 10gbe ports on it)
https://youtu.be/cvwZvWpum5o

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/as ... ii-extreme

but i figured that a 10gbe addon is better in the sense that if you upgrade your system, you won't be forced to look solely for a 10gbe mobo, instead you can install the addon card.

something like this would be good
QM2-2P10G1TB
2 x PCIe Gen3 NVMe SSD & 1 x 10GbE port expansion card to enhance performance

or if you don't need the extra ssd slots, there is this
QNAP QXG-10G1T Single-Port (10Gbase-T) 10GbE

Another thing that mobo has too is thunderbolt is you need that for your QNAP. Thunderbolt on an AMD.... we r finally here :shock: *let that sink in
NAS
[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 (QTS) w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 +16gb ddr4 Crucial+ QWA-AC2600 wireless+QXP PCIE
[Backup] QNAP TS-653A (Truenas Core) w. 4x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) RaidZ1 ZFS + 8gb ddr3 Crucial
[^] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) 2x 4TB Seagate Ironwolf, Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-253D (Truenas Scale)
[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

Network
Qotom Pfsense|100mbps FTTH | Win11, Ryzen 5600X Desktop (1x2tb Crucial P50 Plus M.2 SSD, 1x 8tb seagate Ironwolf,1x 4tb HGST Ultrastar 7K4000)


Resources
[Review] Moogle's QNAP experience
[Review] Moogle's TS-877 review
https://www.patreon.com/mooglestiltzkin
User avatar
Moogle Stiltzkin
Guru
Posts: 11448
Joined: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:21 am
Location: Around the world....
Contact:

Re: PC rig for your network? showcase your builds (share tips)

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin »

some useful buyers guides for 2021, if u r lookin for urself

How Much Does Your Motherboard Affect Performance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvyQXkFUe3E


Does Ram Speed REALLY matter? You might be surprised
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjbNhCHwlBo


Best RAM Ryzen 5000. Best Memory for Ryzen 5600X, 5800X, 5900X, 5950X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZwP4GNtaS0



*very important info in regards to the windows 11 tpm requirement

Security Expert Explains TPM 2.0 & Secure Boot | Ask A PC Expert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRFnOh_pqX8

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comme ... 0_and_tpm/



AMD B550... worth the compromises over X570?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGtgGw7roUY



Best Ryzen 5000 Motherboard [2021] | Best Motherboard for Ryzen 5600X, 5800X, 5900X, & 5950X CPUs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ydsgVothug


It's EASY to spend too much on PC parts... Here's where to save money!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdsaTRBZePw


3200 vs 3600 vs 4000MHz RAM Ryzen 5 5600X Zen 3 Ryzen 5000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=codYA_UHVtU

Intel’s Desktop TDPs No Longer Useful to Predict CPU Power Consumption
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/3 ... onsumption

Beginners Guide to Power Supplies... How to understand the ratings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUh2EZzJZRU

Intel's Fatal Flaw: Poor CPU Platform Support - Alder Lake Discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNVJYOkm6zs

i5-12600K vs R5 5600X — Which Should You Buy? — 12th Gen Alder Lake Launch Review
https://youtu.be/uP_2A3Zwzi8

Guess what GPUs and DDR5 have in common - Tech News Nov 28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOXViFfoOg0

Intel's 12th Gen Alder Lake CPU - Tech's Thoughts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAxBMHaUXxE

i don't have any good references for what to shop in regards to the networking component part for the pc (to be used for a QNAP NAS), so if u have one you can recommend, feel free to share here. some of the components like the 10gbe addon card, qnap sells those.
*update

Mike had an interesting video where he uses the QNAP 5GbE usb Adapter to connect the NAS directly to his pc, WHILE at the same time, having the ethernet port connect to the switch as per usual. What this configuration does is, provide a faster connection to your desktop pc directly from the NAS, while still providing the usual 1gbe on the switch to the rest of your devices the network. This is if you don't have a switch that is better than a 1gbe to take advantage of, and you only need high performance speed to your main desktop pc which is situated in range of your NAS, then ya, you can do it this way :D

https://youtu.be/u9mQ69YiZAg


hm
USB 3.0 Type-C to 5GbE Adapter (QNA-UC5G1T) $89

QNAP QXG-10G1T Single-Port (10Gbase-T) 10GbE Network Expansion Card, PCIe Gen3 X4, Low-Profile Bracket Pre-Loaded, Low-Profile Flat and Full-Height Brackets are Included $109
i prefer the pcie addon card with 10gbe port, because of better performance for not much extra in price. That said, if you plan to connect a laptop to the NAS, then your more likely to be using the 5gbe usb adapter instead for that configuration. Another barrier for the pcie adapter 10gbe is whether your QNAP nas has a 10gbe port to begin with, if not then you may need to also purchase another addon card for it (assuming the model supports it). But if your qnap already had a 10gbe, then no issue there.


if anyone is planning to get a similar motherboard, there are now the passive revisions using the new chipset that doesn't require a fan cooler for the chip.

e.g. ASUS ROG STRIX X570-E Gaming WIFI II (also refered to as revision 2 for the original)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/p ... ynamic_oc/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFPEzvrxjKc
NAS
[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 (QTS) w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 +16gb ddr4 Crucial+ QWA-AC2600 wireless+QXP PCIE
[Backup] QNAP TS-653A (Truenas Core) w. 4x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) RaidZ1 ZFS + 8gb ddr3 Crucial
[^] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) 2x 4TB Seagate Ironwolf, Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-253D (Truenas Scale)
[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

Network
Qotom Pfsense|100mbps FTTH | Win11, Ryzen 5600X Desktop (1x2tb Crucial P50 Plus M.2 SSD, 1x 8tb seagate Ironwolf,1x 4tb HGST Ultrastar 7K4000)


Resources
[Review] Moogle's QNAP experience
[Review] Moogle's TS-877 review
https://www.patreon.com/mooglestiltzkin
User avatar
Moogle Stiltzkin
Guru
Posts: 11448
Joined: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:21 am
Location: Around the world....
Contact:

Re: PC rig for your network? showcase your builds (share tips)

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin »

for the network side of things i found this which summarized what you need basically

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cDEdjDGP8w


But for QNAP related, they offer the switches, and the pcie addon card to provide for the 10gbe port (for either your PC and also your NAS if it supports addons). For routers, i'm a fan of pfsense, but if you want a simpler setup, then there is a qnap router offering for this, but i never tried it so i don't know how well it fares. for wifi, i like using the unifi ap since i can then manage it using unifi controller running from the QNAP QPKG app hosted locally :D


a switch like this looks interesting QNAP QSW-2104-2T, but it's unmanaged though. but if all you need is 10gbe and 2.5gbe, it has it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9fExek6XRo


*update

for those looking for a performant gaming pc with a decent budget, then this is a good recommendation

*update so apparently there are ddr4 mobos for the z690, so maybe that could be the way to go? :' due to DDR5 prices being insane also hard to find stock. the only thing thing of major concern though that is that denuvo game compatibility for alder lake :'
Gigabyte z690 ud ax paired with a I5 12600k for a similar price to the Ryzen 5600x i got with an Asus Strix gaming-E wifi II motherboard (i spotted a combo deal where you get the cpu + motherboard together). cost wise though, the ddr5 ram will cost more and probly not be as good as ddr4 right now. And there are some quirks in windows 11 for Intel Alder lake going on right now, something to be mindful of (specifically to do with gaming and DRM support). This gigabyte motherboard may not be the highest end but it has pretty much all you need (including even the type c header which i was looking for my pc case). Also the Intel has more cores and threads than the Ryzen, so credits where credits due. So while a ryzen 5600x recommendation may have been fine at the tail end of 2020, in 2021 right now, seems the Intel had the lead in the bang for bucks category (at least for now).
Hope that helps if you r looking to get a new pc system right now. Or if you can be patient wait for the new ryzen out in 2022. What worries me though is waiting longer, how much more expensive will these pc component prices increase? because looking at the news and other indicators seems like the situation will get worse (especially DDR5 for which the components to make these are costlier compared to DDR4....)

This guy explains the current situation in summary
Image

12600K on a Budget - Testing DDR4, Overclocking and a “Cheap” Z690 Motherboard!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0p7ICPy224

Intel Core i7-12700K - making the i9 look silly!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5-AZReX1kQ

Before You Build a Gaming PC in Late 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO50NwIBhp4

Intel Core i5-11400 Review - NOT as Good as you Think!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJjAf9yQkVI
NAS
[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 (QTS) w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 +16gb ddr4 Crucial+ QWA-AC2600 wireless+QXP PCIE
[Backup] QNAP TS-653A (Truenas Core) w. 4x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) RaidZ1 ZFS + 8gb ddr3 Crucial
[^] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) 2x 4TB Seagate Ironwolf, Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-253D (Truenas Scale)
[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

Network
Qotom Pfsense|100mbps FTTH | Win11, Ryzen 5600X Desktop (1x2tb Crucial P50 Plus M.2 SSD, 1x 8tb seagate Ironwolf,1x 4tb HGST Ultrastar 7K4000)


Resources
[Review] Moogle's QNAP experience
[Review] Moogle's TS-877 review
https://www.patreon.com/mooglestiltzkin
Locked

Return to “Users' Corner”