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Re: Ryzen TS-X77 available for sale now?

Post by Trexx » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:00 am

MikeLagit wrote:Everyone still happy with this unit? My 569L is getting old and this looks like a great upgrade.


Happy with my x77, wish my budget was bigger at time for another memory upgrade for it, 10GbE, etc. :)
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Re: Ryzen TS-X77 available for sale now?

Post by P3R » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:51 am

i couldn't be happier with my TS-1277-1600.
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Re: Ryzen TS-X77 available for sale now?

Post by MikeLagit » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:23 am

Good to hear! I will using it for VMs, Subsonic, Crashplan, etc.

For the GPU passthrough, is that acceleration only via the physical video card HDMI output on the NAS? or is it possible to get the GPU acceleration through the browser or remote desktop so I can take advantage from another PC in another room?
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Re: Ryzen TS-X77 available for sale now?

Post by Trexx » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:44 am

MikeLagit wrote:Good to hear! I will using it for VMs, Subsonic, Crashplan, etc.

For the GPU passthrough, is that acceleration only via the physical video card HDMI output on the NAS? or is it possible to get the GPU acceleration through the browser or remote desktop so I can take advantage from another PC in another room?


Once you have the GPU drivers installed via HDMI output/keyboard on the VM, you can leverage them via RDP for HW acceleration of processes.
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GPU: EVGA GTX 1060, ACX 2.0(1 Fan), 6GB
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Re: Ryzen TS-X77 available for sale now?

Post by G10ra » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:15 pm

Is it worth buying the TS-X77 today, or is it safe to say that due to age a newer ryzen nas is now due and I should just wait it out

Any suggestions are kindly appreciated.

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Re: Ryzen TS-X77 available for sale now?

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:50 pm

G10ra wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:15 pm
Is it worth buying the TS-X77 today, or is it safe to say that due to age a newer ryzen nas is now due and I should just wait it out

Any suggestions are kindly appreciated.

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well the x77 series strength is the ryzen cpu which has a good pass mark score, and lots of cores and threads. Also because it's not an Intel, it side steps some of the cpu vulnerabilities plaguing intel these days (although to be fair, maybe those issues got resolved in their newer cpus perhaps).

The TVS-x72N series is one of their newer models. what it brings to the plate is m.2 NVME integrated, 5gbe port. However it uses a Intel Core™ i3-8100T quad-core 3.1 GHz processor (quad core 4 threads)
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cp ... Hz&id=3304
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/core_i3/i3-8100t


The x77 series is better in the sense that the ryzen cpu (AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-core / 12-thread 3.2 GHz processor, Turbo Core 3.6 GHz) has more threads making it more ideal for VM because you need to split out those cpu threads for VM. Still possible on a TVS-x72N but has far fewer threads to split between vm and NAS.


here is a side by side comparison for cpu. instead of ryzen 1600 i added 2600 incase the cpu got refreshed
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/I ... 3942vs3955



But everything else about the TVS-x72N i think is better. it's even cheaper too.
https://www.span.com/compare/TS-877-160 ... 2887-70696


If you are using plex, then the x72N should be just fine. If you are using minimal VM where 4 threads is sufficient, then it should be okay as well. if you requires more threads for VM, i would suggest the X77 series :'


I am unsure if the upcoming QTS hero will support the TVS-x72N, this is the big question. But the X77 is confirmed to be supported. I would strongly recommend you check with sales whether the x72N is supported by QTS hero prior to a purchase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvarvZAf2t8



If i were to buy a NAS right now, i'd probably go for the X72N (for more features and better bang for bucks) unless i needed more threads for VM use (or other reasons that would require more cpu threads to be allocated).


Not to mention the x72N is a newer release, so it stands to reason that it's EOL expiration date is going to be a bit longer than the X77 presumably. But i wouldn't worry too much about that since the X77 series is their core model for the Ryzen series should it should last a good long while still.

even if the ryzen 5 1600 was not refreshed to 2600 (although oddly there were indications they would), the performance isn't isn't that much different to be big a deal. But if you want to wait for a Ryzen2, there is frankly no news when they would be inclined to release an updated ryzen model. but what they could potentially do is add PCIE 4 (or if they wait longer, PCIE 5) for the newer ryzen cpus currently out.
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Re: Ryzen TS-X77 available for sale now?

Post by G10ra » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:37 pm

Thanks very moogle, you've provided a lot of info here today.

Some of the things that I've noticed between the TVS-x72N and x77 is that x72 is limited to 32 Gb of ram while the x77 can expand up to 64 GB ram.
the reason why I think is important is that if both systems qualify for the QtS-Hero with ZFS file system in the future then I' have to watch for ram usage as the zfs file system consumes a lot of rams

Other Nas systems also cautions for higher ram usage in zfs files systems.

This theory is also backed up by the presentation here at QTS Hero | QNAP Tech Day 2020 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQtqahHh4d4
on the 16th minute of the presentation the presentor does say to have a lot of ram. So is it safe to go with the x77 route ?

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Re: Ryzen TS-X77 available for sale now?

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:43 pm

oo i missed that ram limit difference, thx for catching that :D

i believe they said 1gb ram for each 1tb deduped.
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Re: Ryzen TS-X77 available for sale now?

Post by SkyRE » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:51 pm

Hm. Massive EOL for TS-x77 on span.com

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Re: Ryzen TS-X77 available for sale now?

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:49 am

SkyRE wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:51 pm
Hm. Massive EOL for TS-x77 on span.com
the official site doesn't mention eol yet
https://www.qnap.com/en/product/eol.php


also usually in the QTS firmware notes there would be some mention of what models they are flagging for eol.


well they are adding ryzen ryzen 3700x to their newer rack mounts for QTS hero

@ 45:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsQw16ZNQzo


Ryzen 5 1600 vs Ryzen 7 3700X
https://www.hwcompare.com/cpu/c/Ryzen-5 ... en-7-3700X


but yes the Ryzen 7 3700X is the current gen of AMD cpus.

not sure when they plan on releasing a desktop box model to be the successor to something like the ts-x77 series though with the new cpus.

They also have something like the TVS-x72N which comes with multi gig ethernet, and inbuilt m.2 NVME slots, so would those newer ryzen models have these added to them as well? or would something like that only be reserved for the TVS series.
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Re: Ryzen TS-X77 available for sale now?

Post by P3R » Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:17 am

SkyRE wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:51 pm
Hm. Massive EOL for TS-x77 on span.com
To begin with, if anything, it would be called End-of-Sale not End-of-Life but only the manufacturer can declare those things not a reseller.

It's still on the Qnap web site as a current model and it's available at some resellers on my market. But the original desktop TS-X77 is more than 2 years old now which is a pretty old model line by Qnap standards. The TS-hX77XU models are already sort of official and it's very natural to expect updated desktop models to follow.

The TS-X77 is still a very competent model line with an extremely fast CPU and not much competition. The only thing it really miss is a 10 GbE interface, which is easily fixed with the very affordable QXG-10G1T.

So if you need/want a TS-X77 today, don't hold your breath waiting for the successor. It may be released tomorrow but it may still take several months until you can get it.
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Re: Ryzen TS-X77 available for sale now?

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:23 am

P3R wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:17 am

The TS-X77 is still a very competent model line with an extremely fast CPU and not much competition. The only thing it really miss is a 10 GbE interface, which is easily fixed with the very affordable QXG-10G1T.
this is pretty spot on. what it doesn't have natively you can add with the addon cards, so it's not really lacking.

if you want to nitpick yeah sure the newer gen ryzens may have more cores etc, but the ryzen gen1 is still pretty good (at least for my needs).
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Re: Ryzen TS-X77 available for sale now?

Post by SkyRE » Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:54 pm

Now TS-1677X also EOL on span.com.
One year passed from CES2019 - nobody saw mentioned there Ryzen CPU refresh, LOL.

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Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:36 am

If i had to guess, probably going to be a qts hero desktop model that would replace the x77 series perhaps?
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Re: Ryzen TS-X77 available for sale now?

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:09 am

At Microcenter, the AMD Ryzen 5 2600X is now available for just $99 US making it one of the best deals for this respective chip. You also get the latest AMD game bundle promotion which will get you up to 2 games and a 3 months Xbox Game Pass for PC. This alone is around $100 US worth of value in the package.
I'm not sure but maybe the 2600X can be upgraded into the X77 series perhaps? if so you can snag this for $99 o-O;
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5-2600x- ... crocenter/
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