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10gbe network setup 2017

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Wanted to post a 10gbe help guide into faq, but not sure i have all the relevant facts yet to do so. If anyone has other info to add onto this i can then add to my faq link :)

anyway i'm approaching this from a budget media user perspective. I'm sure enterprise users have a much higher budget to go for more impressive network setups than what this thread is about :mrgreen:

this video seemed like a good place to start
[youtube=]n9DDA5y0J4E[/youtube]

This other compares 1gbe vs 10gbe, skip ahead to 2:52 - 3:30 to give you an idea of what to expect (he was using ssd though just to keep in mind :mrgreen: )
[youtube=]T6uN9kaxVMg[/youtube]

requirements for a 10gbe network setup
- router? (nope cause 10gbe not gonna mean much for internet speed atm for most people)
- switch (yep definitely. The one in the video is a ASUS XG-U2008 which only has 2 x 10gbe ports. For me thats probably enough for NAS to NAS backup, but it doesn't leave a 3rd 10gbe port to go to my Desktop :S ....)
- desktop (i download stuff to my desktop ,record my OBS streams, rip my optical discs here so yes i'd want to have 10gbe from desktop to NAS for sure. Only 2 ways of doing this. Motherboard has 10gbe ports by default, or you install a 10gbe PCIE addon card)


switches

Qnap recently started making 10GBE switches also worth looking at
[youtube=]-J2Q5g7zwc0[/youtube]


qnap nas

If your going for the SFP route, qnap has a Cost Effective SFP+ NAS with Built-in 2 x 10GbE (SFP+) ports for just simple storage, the QNAP TS-831X NAS 8-Bay 10GbE NAS

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[youtube=]Rqgea3q9lBU[/youtube]
QNAP TS-831X raid5 10GBE benchmark

tested using
OCZ Vertex 4 512GB SSD
Mainboard X79 MSI GD65 - Intel SATA 6G controller in AHCI mode
Processor Core i7 3960X at default configuration
Graphics Cards GeForce GTX 580
Memory 16 GB (4x 4096 MB) DDR3 1600 MHZ
Power Supply Unit 1200 Watt
Monitor Dell 3007WFP - up to 2560x1600
OS related Software Windows 7 64-bit SP1


Using eight HDD WD Red 1TB 3.5 NAS Internal Hard Drives(WD10EFRX) for testing the NAS.I also put on 4X OCZ AMD Radeon R7 (240GB) SSD's that connected by Raid 5 technology(10GbE link)
So how does that stack up to regular Gigabit Ethernet In a word Amazing.
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The results here were great. Running the exact same tests as above, I was averaging 150MB/second copying a large file to the TS-831X, and a staggering 211MB/second copying a single large file off of the TS-831X. With an array of SSD drives, this performance would probably be even higher.So i decided to put inside 4X OCZ AMD Radeon R7 (240GB) SSD's that connected by Raid 5.
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The results speak for themselves.
The QNAP TS-831X Turbo NAS network storage server is clearly aimed at small and medium businesses. There are dozens of models in the QNAP storage product line, and this one has been tailored for a specific application. It's not that it can't be used in the home, but very few home networks is going to be able to effectively take full advantage of the two 10GbE connections that comes standard on this model
*review
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/sho ... ap-TS-831X

another review benchmark
Benchmark Summary: QNAP (TS-431X)

Four-bay RAID5 class NAS with dual Gigabit Ethernet ports and built-in 10GbE SFP+ port. Powered by dual-core Annapurna Labs CPU.

Test Notes:
Firmware tested: 4.3.3.0154
10Gtek x520DAI card with Intel 3.9.58.9101 driver used for 10GbE tests

https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/tools/c ... p-ts431x/3

This is a useful tool if only they had a large list of items tested. until then individual model reviews seems to be the best :shock:
https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/tools/c ... py-write/3


or alternatively you can get a model that supports an expansion card for either sfp, 10gbe or 40gbe. Just as an example
http://shop.qnap.com/index.php?route=pr ... ath=35_376


their newer expansion card the QNAP QM2 which combines m.2 NVME, SFP and 10GBE port.
[youtube=]eyAssGs3ueo[/youtube]


desktop 10gbe

10 Gigabit Ethernet for $99: Asus XG C100C Review (Aquantia AQC107)
[youtube=]8aqzd_jNj_s[/youtube]


Asrock motherboards (i saw they did this for Intel I9 and Amd Thread ripper with 10GBE (their using Aquantia AQC107). Both asus and asrock are brands i'm aware that are trying to add 10gbe onto some of their motherboards, so keep an eye on those :wink:

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/10501/con ... 0g-builtin



lastly why 10gbe?
10G networking most the time is more for load balancing so you can have more users connected at once with no slowdown try on a 1G connection to copy large file then try and stream a high qulity 1080p back from the same server you are copying to and you video stream will suffer but if you have a 10G backbone (10G from Managed Switch to Server)
minimum throughput when doing network activity would be better too, as the network is more than capable of handling the load.
Well... The whole point of having a 10 Gigabit network is for people who are going to be transferring data from solid state drives to other solid state drives. That or a very very substantial RAID array. This should all go without saying. Of course you can't saturate a 10 gigabit line from a single mechanical drive to an SSD.
*refer to the 10GBE benchmark for QNAP TS-831X above. Probably need a different benchmark using more newer high end HDD but this gives you a rough idea of what to expect, though this seems difficult to find for latest models as not many reviewers have 10gbe networking gear (cept people like techquickie)..soo.. :shock:

Anyway just as reference, my 1gbe network caps me out at around 110-120 MB/s (cap for 1gbe basically) when i backup from a TS-653A to TS-659 Pro II using hybrid backup sync RTRR one way sync to remote destination folder to folder.
NAS
[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 (QTS) w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 +16gb ddr4 Crucial+ QWA-AC2600 wireless+QXP PCIE
[Backup] QNAP TS-653A (Truenas Core) w. 4x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) RaidZ1 ZFS + 8gb ddr3 Crucial
[^] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) 2x 4TB Seagate Ironwolf, Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-253D (Truenas Scale)
[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

Network
Qotom Pfsense|100mbps FTTH | Win11, Ryzen 5600X Desktop (1x2tb Crucial P50 Plus M.2 SSD, 1x 8tb seagate Ironwolf,1x 4tb HGST Ultrastar 7K4000)


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Re: 10gbe network setup 2017

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What is the Difference between RJ45 and SFP - Which is best for my Home or Business 10GBe setup

[youtube=]dpN0K94fyQE[/youtube]
NAS
[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 (QTS) w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 +16gb ddr4 Crucial+ QWA-AC2600 wireless+QXP PCIE
[Backup] QNAP TS-653A (Truenas Core) w. 4x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) RaidZ1 ZFS + 8gb ddr3 Crucial
[^] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) 2x 4TB Seagate Ironwolf, Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-253D (Truenas Scale)
[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

Network
Qotom Pfsense|100mbps FTTH | Win11, Ryzen 5600X Desktop (1x2tb Crucial P50 Plus M.2 SSD, 1x 8tb seagate Ironwolf,1x 4tb HGST Ultrastar 7K4000)


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[Review] Moogle's QNAP experience
[Review] Moogle's TS-877 review
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Re: 10gbe network setup 2017

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- desktop (i download stuff to my desktop ,record my OBS streams, rip my optical discs here so yes i'd want to have 10gbe from desktop to NAS for sure. Only 2 ways of doing this. Motherboard has 10gbe ports by default, or you install a 10gbe PCIE addon card)
There is a 3rd way. There are a number of thunderbolt to 10g adapters that are mac compliant too.
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