Mandatory Windows 10 Update Is Causing Machines to BSOD

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

*for recent win10 bsod in article, seems to be an enterprise version issue.

Microsoft recently released Cumulative Update 1703 for Windows 10, which updated the OS to build 15063.674 as part of its Patch Tuesday update cycle: unfortunately, it has resulted in the Blue Screen of Death for many users. The latest reports say it has something to do with Windows Server Update Services (WSUS).

This appears to actually only affect WSUS users, despite multiple reports of others having issues updating outside of the Enterprise environment. Although Microsoft itself hasn't commented yet, some MVPs, forum volunteers and gurus have chimed in and even posted workarounds and fixes for those bricked (BSOD) machines that applied a Delta patch as well as the Cumulative Update (the former of which has been expired and won't download anymore) and therein was the problem. The Delta patch shouldn't have gone out with the KB update, and this has now been rectified.

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/10/12 ... es_to_bsod

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even for QNAP the same rules apply.

Is the fix a critical security patch ? if yes then you may want to update.

no security fixes in new firmware? you can skip or delay update from a few days, to week or a month or something.


never just assume an update won't have issues. most people have a wait and see approach by delaying updates. Though if the fix is critical security update, you may want to update sooner without delaying too long.


my point is deferring updates to another time is not such a bad thing (avoid issues like the windows example). Though don't take it to extremes by deferring it yearly

[schumaku]

Bad advise.

[dolbyman]

most home users will not use wsus ..so tbis seems more of a corporate issue

I had wsus issues lately ..so instead of fixing that(had no time) I switched to individual updates (via gp) ...so I hope I will be spared of this

[Johnno72]

I agree with schumaku, this is bad advise given to hold off on updates, regardless of the importance or not. Updates aren't just about security.

Questions need to be asked of those people that get BSOD's from OS updates, before you go blaming Microsoft for the problem. One big question I ask is when was any kind of maintenance performed on the computer?

I see repeatedly time after time people carrying on with silly comments about the OS bricked my computer or worse yet fried my hard drive... in 35 years of repairing computers I have never seen a bricked computer of any kind, I have never seen a computer that I could not recover, yes unfortunately the OS and programs had to be reloaded from scratch resulting in the loss of everything on the HDD (backup, backup, backup!!!!) and don't click on garbage that you know will introduce malware or viruses to your system, don't install all those useless toolbar extensions that you will never use, yet allows access to your computer for malware, viruses and/or ransomware.

Take responsibility for your actions and computer usage. As for fried my hard drive, again, how old is the hard drive? when was any maintenance done on the hard drive? when did you last check it for bad sectors (which can kill a hard drive instantly and cause OS issues) and never buy second hand used hard drives, not worth the hassle for $20.

Yes I do see many computers loaded with garbage on top of garbage yet no anti virus, no maintenance, not even running defrag. or disk cleanup, the desktop is populated with loads of icons and shortcuts, the desktop is not a storage location for your files or data.

I also see computers today with 2TB HDD's as one large 2TB partition, again bad advise, bad computer setup and lazy or uninformed technicians ... this 2TB HDD should be partitioned at the minimum to:
100G C:OS (for your OS and installed programs only)
1.9TB D:DOCS (for all your documents)

this way when you screw up your Windows installation by not doing maintenance your data is safe on the separate partition D:DOCS.

As some people here might notice in my signature, I am a member of the Windows Insider Preview program, essentially a beta tester for Windows OS, and I have not had any bricked update yet. Yes there have been many problems since Microsoft moved to the new update system that has been seriously screwed from implementation, even down to one newbie coder that screwed things even more then left as he failed at his job.

Currently I am three Windows releases ahead of most people and have had zero issues running the WIP beta in live scenario on a laptop that is now 13 years old... so questions have to be asked what are people doing or not doing to cause BSOD's on their computers. Even my Surface Pro 3 and Windows Mobile are a part of the WIP program and they too have had zero critical issues and have always been recoverable.

What I have noticed is that everyone with problems and BSOD's only have Windows Home... I do not recommend Home or Student versions of any software as these are just simply too far crippled for networking.

You need to use the right tool for the job

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

well i don't see how updating as soon as something is released on day one, without even checking forum if any issues at all is considered bad advise :/ (unless your a beta tester in that case at least backup)

windows, nvidia, qnap, others. from time to time there is always that 1 update every now and then that is just not that great doesn't hurt to delay a few days or a week if it's not a serious security issue. and even if it was maybe check forum if any issues before updating.

oo and qnap usually warns about reboot before update. probably should do that too.

anyway this is what i do and usually when i check news i find oo that update not so good, avoid. managed to avoid many issues like this that happens every now and then, so works for me

i can't remember the last time it was needed for me to rollback to an older stable firmware or refer to a backup to rollback to.

[Johnno72]

People and society in general do not check anything no more Moogle, there is no self education or self awareness just gotta have the latest and greatest now, today... never tomorrow. When I find an update is released it usually is a day or two later anyway, as is the case with my QNAP updates, I wait until they are detected automatically.

My reply was more towards the lack of maintenance itself that is causing the B/GSOD's more so than the updates. Sure, when it comes down to firmware updates, walk the path carefully.

I even had one person carrying on silly about their computer not working after an update, when we got to the point he flashed his computer BIOS which has nothing to do with OS updates, poor guy had himself so confused between hardware and software updates then he blamed MS for the problem.

The biggest thing I have ever learnt with computers is nothing beats some simple maintenance... and reading through the many tutorials that good folk such as Moogle that put together great information at our finger tips also help tremendously.

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

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np. thx for at least explaining your opinion :] props for that. much preferable to answers without any explanation for differing views

I agree with schumaku, this is bad advise given to hold off on updates, regardless of the importance or not. Updates aren't just about security.

for me it depends. usually if it's a feature i use, for sure i'll update sooner. if it's a bug for music station playlist not working, thats not gonna affect me since i don't use it. Anyway i check changelog before i decide how urgent it is.



PS: that raid5/6 issue though that was only found out many months later. So in those rare cases, even deferring updates to few days or week won't help with that thats what backups are for.

[Johnno72]

lol yes I need to explain myself more clearly with so much fogginess in my head.

Hey admin.. can you please enable the forum chat...

[OneCD]

the desktop is populated with loads of icons and shortcuts, the desktop is not a storage location for your files or data.

The first sign I was going to have trouble with a client's PC was approaching their desk, and seeing mountains of paperwork and other crud spread around the keyboard.

Start up the PC and - sure enough - it's icons-galore. Their Windows desktop mirrors their actual desktop

side-note: I once had to address a minor issue for an ex-CEO of Telstra. Gotta say, this bloke had the cleanest desktop I've ever seen. Not a single piece of paperwork lying around.

and P.S. for all in this thread - it's "advice" - not advise. Sorry.

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

lol yes I need to explain myself more clearly with so much fogginess in my head.

Hey admin.. can you please enable the forum chat...

Well there is reddit


me and trex sometimes chat on the reddit qnap page. feel free to send private msging if you want

P.S. for all in this thread - it's "advice" - not advise. Sorry.

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[OneCD]

Thankfully, regardless of the variety of English you’re dealing with, advice is always a noun and advise is always a verb.

Yup - there it is.

e.g. I can advise you but you don't have to take my advice.

[Johnno72]

checking out reddit now... and I agree with you One about the relationship between actual desk and computer desktop mess. And it is great to see you are back here OneCD, your experience and knowledge are too great to lose here, so I thank you for returning.

sorry, having loading problems with QNAP site.. going to cold boot everything including my internet so could be out for few minutes.

[schumaku]

and P.S. for all in this thread - it's "advice" - not advise. Sorry.

My bad indeed ... to keep it simple for the noun use advice, for the verb advise. And welcome back @OneCD !

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

most home users will not use wsus ..so tbis seems more of a corporate issue

I had wsus issues lately ..so instead of fixing that(had no time) I switched to individual updates (via gp) ...so I hope I will be spared of this

i updated to ts to clarify enterprise windows 10 only for the article. doesn't seem to affect the other normal users on pro etc.

[OneCD]

so I thank you for returning.

Thanks Johnno - I'm only back to stir-the-pot here and there.

And welcome back @OneCD !

Thanks Kurt.