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Re: Moogle's TS-877 review

Post by foguet » Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:18 am

Trexx wrote:
foguet wrote:Hello!
Has anyone changed the TS-877 CPU from Ryzen 5 1600 to Ryzen 7 1700?
Any suggestions? Can there be power failure problems?
I'm thinking about changing it and I'd like your opinion :)


Bigger issue to consider, changing CPU will almost 100% guaranteed void your QNAP warranty.

Also if you look at the passmarks #'s, you will only get about a 10-15% performance improvement since the 6-cores in the R5-1600 are clocked higher than the 8-cores in the R7-1700.

So for single threaded applications, you actually would be taking a performance hit due to lower clock speed. In multi-threaded applications, you will gain in total performance due to the extra cores but on a per core basis you will be slightly lower.

Thanks for your advice. I'm gonna listen to you. I am going to invest this money in more RAM memory up to 64Gb (I will use the QNAP for automated processes with python language, plex, several VM,...)

I've seen in your signature your RAM model, but at least in Spain, it's out of print.

At the moment I have 2 units of this model "Crucial 16GB (1x16GB) 2400 Mhz (PC4-19200) CL17 DR", but I don't know if to return it and buy more speed. Any recommendations? Any incompatibilities? thanks a loot!!! :roll:
Model: TS-877-1600 FW: 4.4.1.x
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Re: Moogle's TS-877 review

Post by Trexx » Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:23 am

foguet wrote:Thanks for your advice. I'm gonna listen to you. I am going to invest this money in more RAM memory up to 64Gb (I will use the QNAP for automated processes with python language, plex, several VM,...)

I've seen in your signature your RAM model, but at least in Spain, it's out of print.

At the moment I have 2 units of this model "Crucial 16GB (1x16GB) 2400 Mhz (PC4-19200) CL17 DR", but I don't know if to return it and buy more speed. Any recommendations? Any incompatibilities? thanks a loot!!! :roll:


I would probably recommend opening a new thread for this discussions. As for more speed, you would be better off getting something faster than CL17 @ 2400 since at full 64GB, you won't be at 2400 Mhz anyway (more dimms = lower clock). I just went with the models since they were on a good sale at the time and were Ryzen certified.
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Re: Moogle's TS-877 review

Post by Weather_Underground » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:05 pm

what is the point of having 4 nas,ses?
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TS-131P For Backups
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Re: Moogle's TS-877 review

Post by Toxic17 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:45 pm

Weather_Underground wrote:what is the point of having 4 nas,ses?


Because he can - perhaps? ;)
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Re: Moogle's TS-877 review

Post by Weather_Underground » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:29 pm

Toxic17 wrote:
Weather_Underground wrote:what is the point of having 4 nas,ses?


Because he can - perhaps? ;)


Me too. I can do a lot.
But not using multiple nas'ses . Pointless, from my point of view.
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Re: Moogle's TS-877 review

Post by P3R » Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:49 am

Weather_Underground wrote:Pointless, from my point of view.
I can see many reasons for multiple NASes:
  • Main and backup storages
  • Multiple sites
  • Silent NAS by the TV and a noisy large capacity storage hidden away
  • Test environment for software before introducing it in production
  • External service NAS for security reasons isolated on a DMZ
  • Surveillance server for security reasons isolated on a mangement network
My reasons are the first two.
RAID have never ever been a replacement for backups. Without backups on a different system (preferably placed at another site), you will eventually lose data!

A non-RAID configuration (including RAID 0, which isn't really RAID) with a backup on a separate media protects your data far better than any RAID-volume without backup.

All data storage consists of both the primary storage and the backups. It's your money and your data, spend the storage budget wisely or pay with your data!

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Re: Moogle's TS-877 review

Post by schumaku » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:20 am

  • Serving multiple legal entities
  • Data Segregation
  • Application Segregation
and many more.

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Re: Moogle's TS-877 review

Post by Weather_Underground » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:02 am

schumaku wrote:
  • Serving multiple legal entities
  • Data Segregation
  • Application Segregation
and many more.

allright. i have get 2 tvs-1282t 32Gb now fully equiped with wd-red draivs.
now i have 3 nas devices.

thanks for the advice.
TS-253 8Gb Pro, with 10 Tb WD-Red (17/02/2018)
TS-131P For Backups
FW 4.3.4.086
Purposes: Streaming/Backup/XXX streaming/Other stuff.
Windows 10 Home
Minix NEO U9-H

rtorrent version rtorrent_0.9.6-0503-170503_x86_64.qpkg https://mega.nz/#!6R90HCiR!OajUMTRZfskn ... hH3MzsRXVo

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Re: Moogle's TS-877 review

Post by caffecoffee » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:13 am

i just bought a 877. Thanks for the consolidation of review + combination of everybody.
Really handy.

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Re: Moogle's TS-877 review

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:23 am

caffecoffee wrote:i just bought a 877. Thanks for the consolidation of review + combination of everybody.
Really handy.


kewl gratz :) glad it helped.

maybe you can do your own review and we can compare notes :wink:


there have been more reviews since then by many others


From Youtube.com



From Youtube.com




but the most indepth testing review i've seen so far was by nascompares *the 2nd link robbie did transcoding tests for 1080p and 4k
https://nascompares.com/review/qnap-ts-877-nas/
https://nascompares.com/plex/qnap-ts-67 ... -4k-1080p/
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[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS (HDN724040ALE640) & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 + 16gb ddr4 Crucial + QWA-AC2600 wireless adapter.
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[^] QNAP TS-228 w. 1x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS)
[^] QNAP TS-128
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Re: Moogle's TS-877 review

Post by aarbee » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:26 pm

@Moogle,
I did read this text at the beginning of your thread:

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Alternatively you can setup to access the qnap VM via network rather than HDMI


What do you mean exactly? RDP?
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Re: Moogle's TS-877 review

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:30 pm

aarbee wrote:@Moogle,
I did read this text at the beginning of your thread:

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Alternatively you can setup to access the qnap VM via network rather than HDMI


What do you mean exactly? RDP?


oo well to access vm, you can do so via

1. plug monitor to hdmi port (which is the installed nvidia graphics card)

or

2. connect remotely via web browser to the VM. basically, i login to the QTS desktop (in my case i was on local lan), then browse to virtual station. Then there is a pop up link for that VM, which opens a browser tab. That was what i meant :) You can then select the bandwidth speed for video quality for when accessing the VM that way. For me when comparing to hdmi method, it wasn't as smooth. so if i was seriously using VM, i would rather opt for HDMI method since it works better in usability.
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[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS (HDN724040ALE640) & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 + 16gb ddr4 Crucial + QWA-AC2600 wireless adapter.
[Backup] QNAP TS-653A w. 5x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-659 Pro II 1x 4TB HGST Deskstar NAS
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-228 w. 1x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS)
[^] QNAP TS-128
Mobile NAS TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

Network
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Re: Moogle's TS-877 review

Post by aarbee » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:04 pm

I still have the 673. And do some sort of Virtio/passthrough on that internal videocard.
And I mostly connect to the VM's by RDP (Windows pc/server). And that is faster then the webbrowser.
Though with the help I got lately, I saw that the VirtIO did speed up the webinterface as well.

Thank you.
Friendly Greetings,

RobB

Model: TvS-673 40GB (2*32+2*4) - 20170215
Disks Raid 6: 2.5" 4x WD red 1TB active, 2 spare(nasware2/Nasware3)
Cache: Cache SSD: Crucial M.2 275GB 2x
UPS: Back-UPS Pro BR900G-GR
---
Model: TS-239 PRO II - Raid 1: 2x WD Red 4TB
Model: TS-219P II+ - Raid 1: 2x HGST Deskstar-nas 3TB

Reserve 1x HGST Deskstar-nas 4TB
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Re: Moogle's TS-877 review

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:09 pm

aarbee wrote:I still have the 673. And do some sort of Virtio/passthrough on that internal videocard.
And I mostly connect to the VM's by RDP (Windows pc/server). And that is faster then the webbrowser.
Though with the help I got lately, I saw that the VirtIO did speed up the webinterface as well.

Thank you.


o there is a difference? :'

I will keep that in mind for next time ty. are you using a specific software for rdp? sorry not familiar with that method.
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[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS (HDN724040ALE640) & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 + 16gb ddr4 Crucial + QWA-AC2600 wireless adapter.
[Backup] QNAP TS-653A w. 5x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-659 Pro II 1x 4TB HGST Deskstar NAS
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-228 w. 1x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS)
[^] QNAP TS-128
Mobile NAS TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

Network
Asus AC68U Router|100dl/50ul MBPS FTTH Internet | Windows 10, WC PC-Intel i7 920 Ivy bridge desktop (1x 512gb Samsung 850 Pro SSD + 1x 4tb HGST Ultrastar 7K4000)


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[Review] Moogle's TS-877 review

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Re: Moogle's TS-877 review

Post by aarbee » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:01 pm

Let me rewrite that.
Suppose that by default working in the browser without virtio drivers, then that feels like 50% speed of working on a normal pc.
Using RDP, feels like 95%-99% of a normal pc.
Using the Virtio drivers, then the browser access feels like 75-85% of a normal pc.

RDP is a really fast protocol.

Vmware is having the same situation. Slower in the browser, fast in RDP.
The only positiv in that case is HyperV and their Browser. Which is pretty fast. But I guess they use the RDP protocol.
Friendly Greetings,

RobB

Model: TvS-673 40GB (2*32+2*4) - 20170215
Disks Raid 6: 2.5" 4x WD red 1TB active, 2 spare(nasware2/Nasware3)
Cache: Cache SSD: Crucial M.2 275GB 2x
UPS: Back-UPS Pro BR900G-GR
---
Model: TS-239 PRO II - Raid 1: 2x WD Red 4TB
Model: TS-219P II+ - Raid 1: 2x HGST Deskstar-nas 3TB

Reserve 1x HGST Deskstar-nas 4TB
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Media Boxe: Nvidia ShieldTV Pro
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