[Review] QNAP TVS-h1288X 12-bay ZFS NAS Review by servethehome

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[Review] QNAP TVS-h1288X 12-bay ZFS NAS Review by servethehome

Post by Moogle Stiltzkin »

this model is a xeon model
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZRdpjYxizo


ULTIMATE PLEX TEST: Hardware Transcoding with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti & QNAP TVS-h1288X NAS :shock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EePJbhyf9w0


so plex support nvidia graphics card transcoding. and he mentioned that when the graphics card maxes out on plex, it will then begin offloading transcoding to the cpu :)


I hope he does a review for the ryzen quts hero desktop models, cause interested just how many vms exactly those things can run, or just whether the ecc ram actually works.
Last edited by Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:03 am, edited 1 time in total.
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[Backup] QNAP TS-653A (Truenas Core) w. 4x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) RaidZ1 ZFS + 8gb ddr3 Crucial
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Plex support for NVIDIA GPU transcoding is nothing new, it has been supported for several years now. Until recently, NVIDIA artificially limited transcoding to a couple of streams.

Quicksync transcoding is still by far more economical than NVIDIA nvenc.
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H/W: QNAP TVS-872x (i7-8700. 64GB) (Plex server & encoding host) / TVS-EC1080 (32Gig ECC) - VM host & seedbox
H/W: Asustor AS6706T (32GB) / Asustor AS7010T (16GB) (media storage)
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O/S: Slackware 14.2 / MS Windows 7-64 (x5)
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Ditched QNAP units: TS-269 Pro / TS-253 Pro (8GB) / TS-509 Pro / TS-569 Pro / TS-853 Pro (8GB)
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economical yes, example those intel celeron nas models especially.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... tmMPc/edit

but video transcoding quality wise nvidia nvenc is better.

https://youtu.be/cTvIj40kspc?t=445
https://youtu.be/ccoOGfX9qxg?t=968
https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/ ... uick_sync/



something like arm though can't quite do live transcoding. although on reddit, other users proved u can stream content to a nvidia shield that will handle playback just fine even if you use an arm qnap nas.

but something like intel celeron models will at least give you some options. but you need a plex pass don't you ? to utilize the quicksync.

in the past when i was doing live transcoding in plex on intel celeron, it didn't quite handle some of my high bit rate h265 1080p content well. but i unfortunately did not have a plex pass to try quicksync if that would solve it (it probly would have). So replacing with a ryzen ts-877 u can do software transcoding and the cpu is powerful to handle my 1080p high bit rate just didn't.

didn't test 4k because it eats up too much storage. i use netflix streaming for 4k >_>: (since it's not my storage that has to store that)


in regards to the lock streams, doesn't amd graphics cards not have this limitation? but we never hear anything about using an amd graphics card in the qnap for plex transcoding :' did amd give up or something?
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[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 (QTS) w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 +16gb ddr4 Crucial+ QWA-AC2600 wireless+QXP PCIE
[Backup] QNAP TS-653A (Truenas Core) w. 4x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) RaidZ1 ZFS + 8gb ddr3 Crucial
[^] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) 2x 4TB Seagate Ironwolf, Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-253D (Truenas Scale)
[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

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No, nvenc is not better than current generation Quicksync technology.

Intel continually improves their Quicksync SIP core, NVIDIA has been using the same SIP core for several generations of GPU's and does not make improvements as often as Intel does. NVIDIA focuses on vector processing improvements between generations, those have nothing to do with video (en)(de)coding.

Even a 9th or 10th gen Intel CPU is still more economical than a NVIDIA GPU, and always will be, Quicksync can handle more streams than nvenc and Intel drivers are not crippled like NVIDIA drivers.

The reason there is no AMD h/w transcoding for Plex is that AMD has not made any Linux drivers available for their SIP core. At the end of the day, Intel has made it the easiest for devs to access the Quicksync SIP and provides excellent documentation. NVIDIA and AMD provide obscure and poorly documented blobs to use which also requires more dev troubleshooting effort. So, as a dev, why would I use something that is difficult to use, difficult to support and the OEM support could be yanked at anytime?
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H/W: QNAP TVS-872x (i7-8700. 64GB) (Plex server & encoding host) / TVS-EC1080 (32Gig ECC) - VM host & seedbox
H/W: Asustor AS6706T (32GB) / Asustor AS7010T (16GB) (media storage)
H/W: TS-219 Pro / TS-509 Pro
O/S: Slackware 14.2 / MS Windows 7-64 (x5)
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Router4: Asus RT-AC66U - FreshTomato v2021.10.15

Misc: Popcorn Hour A-110/WN-100, Pinnacle Show Center 250HD, Roku SoundBridge Radio (all retired)
Ditched QNAP units: TS-269 Pro / TS-253 Pro (8GB) / TS-509 Pro / TS-569 Pro / TS-853 Pro (8GB)
TS-670 Pro x2 (i7-3770s 16GB) / TS-870 Pro (i7-3770 16GB) / TVS-871 (i7-4790s 16GB)
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jaysona wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:21 am No, nvenc is not better than current generation Quicksync technology.

Intel continually improves their Quicksync SIP core, NVIDIA has been using the same SIP core for several generations of GPU's and does not make improvements as often as Intel does. NVIDIA focuses on vector processing improvements between generations, those have nothing to do with video (en)(de)coding.
not sure about this.

but i'm going by these types of transcoding image comparisons :'
https://youtu.be/cTvIj40kspc?t=445

last i heard it was amd that is falling behind on their encoder support
https://youtu.be/ccoOGfX9qxg?t=366
NAS
[Main Server] QNAP TS-877 (QTS) w. 4tb [ 3x HGST Deskstar NAS & 1x WD RED NAS ] EXT4 Raid5 & 2 x m.2 SATA Samsung 850 Evo raid1 +16gb ddr4 Crucial+ QWA-AC2600 wireless+QXP PCIE
[Backup] QNAP TS-653A (Truenas Core) w. 4x 2TB Samsung F3 (HD203WI) RaidZ1 ZFS + 8gb ddr3 Crucial
[^] QNAP TL-D400S 2x 4TB WD Red Nas (WD40EFRX) 2x 4TB Seagate Ironwolf, Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-509 Pro w. 4x 1TB WD RE3 (WD1002FBYS) EXT4 Raid5
[^] QNAP TS-253D (Truenas Scale)
[Mobile NAS] TBS-453DX w. 2x Crucial MX500 500gb EXT4 raid1

Network
Qotom Pfsense|100mbps FTTH | Win11, Ryzen 5600X Desktop (1x2tb Crucial P50 Plus M.2 SSD, 1x 8tb seagate Ironwolf,1x 4tb HGST Ultrastar 7K4000)


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[Review] Moogle's TS-877 review
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Post by jaysona »

Moogle Stiltzkin wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:24 am
not sure about this.

but i'm going by these types of transcoding image comparisons :'
https://youtu.be/cTvIj40kspc?t=445
Spend more than a few years working in the semi-conductor industry and you'll be "sure" about a few things. ;)

Also, stop watching videos, you're the proverbial six-year listening to the teenager and thinking the teenager is right. Some idiot ma,ing a video about twitch streaming has nothing to do with plex transcoding, and just shows how little understanding of the underlying technology some of these youtube idiots have.

Start reading some real technical sites instead, you'll learn more and have a more accurate understand far more than what some youtube wannabe'er posts in their narcissistic videos.
last i heard it was amd that is falling behind on their encoder support
https://youtu.be/ccoOGfX9qxg?t=366
That's exactly what I said in my previous message, AMD driver support for video (en)(de)coding is lacking.
RAID is not a Back-up!

H/W: QNAP TVS-872x (i7-8700. 64GB) (Plex server & encoding host) / TVS-EC1080 (32Gig ECC) - VM host & seedbox
H/W: Asustor AS6706T (32GB) / Asustor AS7010T (16GB) (media storage)
H/W: TS-219 Pro / TS-509 Pro
O/S: Slackware 14.2 / MS Windows 7-64 (x5)
Router1: Asus RT-AX86U - Asuswrt-Merlin - 3004.388.6_2
Router2: Asus RT-AC66U - Asuswrt-Merlin - 386.12_6
Router3: Linksys WRT1900AC - DD-WRT v3.0-r46816 std
Router4: Asus RT-AC66U - FreshTomato v2021.10.15

Misc: Popcorn Hour A-110/WN-100, Pinnacle Show Center 250HD, Roku SoundBridge Radio (all retired)
Ditched QNAP units: TS-269 Pro / TS-253 Pro (8GB) / TS-509 Pro / TS-569 Pro / TS-853 Pro (8GB)
TS-670 Pro x2 (i7-3770s 16GB) / TS-870 Pro (i7-3770 16GB) / TVS-871 (i7-4790s 16GB)
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