QNAP TS453a and GS108T Port Trunking Question

KRS1974 · Post by **KRS1974** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:28 pm

Hi

I recently bought the GS108T and TS-453a.

I have tried to setup port trunking on all 4 LAN ports, I have tried to follow the QNAP instructions but the setup process has changed in the newer QTS and I have followed what I think is correct.

It shows in the QTS and QFinder Pro as one network port and I have assigned static address to it.

On the GS108T I have setup a LAG on the 4 ports that are connected to the NAS ports 5,6,7,8 but as soon as I do that it doesn't find the NAS in Qfinder Pro or anywhere. As soon as I disable the LAG it finds it and I can get into QTS.

Does anyone have any experience with this Setup and any advice ??

Kind regards

ensignvorik · Post by **ensignvorik** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:38 pm

Personally I'd raise a support ticket, I've seen several issues posted regarding network & virtual switche configs on 4.3.3.

It's likely they may say it's problem with your GS108T, but at the off chance they come back saying it's a known problem with the Virtual Switch app you'll be saving yourself hours of headaches and they may be able to send you a hotfix.

peter247 · Post by **peter247** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:30 pm

I`ve tried trucking with my ts-653a with my TL-SG1016DE switch ( 4.24 firmware ) and couldn`t get it to work at all.
It didn`t get any increased bandwidth between the switch and my NAS or couldn`t communicate with it at all.

KRS1974 · Post by **KRS1974** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:19 pm

Hi

So what did you do instead ?? Turn it all off and use the one LAN connection ?? Only reason I changed from the ReadyNAS duo was to be able to stream more than one film at a time as I have kids with tablets and smart tv's and they buffer is more than one film is watched on the TV when the kids try VLC on the tablet

kherr4377 · Post by **kherr4377** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:01 pm

peter247 wrote:I`ve tried trucking with my ts-653a with my TL-SG1016DE switch ( 4.24 firmware ) and couldn`t get it to work at all.
It didn`t get any increased bandwidth between the switch and my NAS or couldn`t communicate with it at all.

the ONLY time you get increased bandwidth is with multiple active connections. you will ALWAYS be limited to 1G per client. That is all providing your nas has the hp to provide that extra throughput

ensignvorik · Post by **ensignvorik** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:21 pm

KRS1974 wrote:Hi

So what did you do instead ?? Turn it all off and use the one LAN connection ?? Only reason I changed from the ReadyNAS duo was to be able to stream more than one film at a time as I have kids with tablets and smart tv's and they buffer is more than one film is watched on the TV when the kids try VLC on the tablet

As they are using wireless devices, it's unlikely you'll get any benefit of trunking ports in this scenario.

Once it hits the wifi access point that's going to be your bottleneck.

You'll notice the instructions for setting this up shows no wireless devices anywhere on the diagram.

A drawing of your network might be more beneficial showing where your routers/switchs/wireless access points/end devices are.

If the TVs can be all cabled directly into Gigabit network (no powerline adapters) then you might benefit, but otherwise I don't think you're going to solve your buffering issues.

Is your wireless access point and tablets/TVs 802.11ac (5Ghz) compatible? Even then, just moving from floor to floor/room to room will see gradual reduction in speed.

KRS1974 · Post by **KRS1974** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:26 pm

kherr4377 wrote:
peter247 wrote:I`ve tried trucking with my ts-653a with my TL-SG1016DE switch ( 4.24 firmware ) and couldn`t get it to work at all.
It didn`t get any increased bandwidth between the switch and my NAS or couldn`t communicate with it at all.
the ONLY time you get increased bandwidth is with multiple active connections. you will ALWAYS be limited to 1G per client. That is all providing your nas has the hp to provide that extra throughput

The NAS has the power I spent a while reading up on it. It will have connections from possible 2 to 3 wired devices also. It just wireless ones. I know it won't increase the possible to above 1gb max but 4 lots of 1gb spread is better than hammering the 1 lan connection

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KRS1974 · Post by **KRS1974** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:28 pm

ensignvorik wrote:
KRS1974 wrote:Hi

So what did you do instead ?? Turn it all off and use the one LAN connection ?? Only reason I changed from the ReadyNAS duo was to be able to stream more than one film at a time as I have kids with tablets and smart tv's and they buffer is more than one film is watched on the TV when the kids try VLC on the tablet
As they are using wireless devices, it's unlikely you'll get any benefit of trunking ports in this scenario.

Once it hits the wifi access point that's going to be your bottleneck.

You'll notice the instructions for setting this up shows no wireless devices anywhere on the diagram.

A drawing of your network might be more beneficial showing where your routers/switchs/wireless access points/end devices are.

If the TVs can be all cabled directly into Gigabit network (no powerline adapters) then you might benefit, but otherwise I don't think you're going to solve your buffering issues.

Is your wireless access point and tablets/TVs 802.11ac (5Ghz) compatible? Even then, just moving from floor to floor/room to room will see gradual reduction in speed.

My wifi is provided by a Cisco Meraki MR 18 which is 5 and 2.4 with multiple radios in it. TV is direct cable as are the other 3 TVs

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ensignvorik · Post by **ensignvorik** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:38 pm

Ok, so as long as everything is joined gigabit then it 'should' work, but as said above it will only work if more than one device is accessing at the same time (except more than one wireless device unless you've also managed to trunk ports to the switch from the wireless ap also depending on how advanced it is)

Raise a support ticket at the same time as the amount of reports from people with advanced networking problems since 4.3.3 is on the increase.

KRS1974 · Post by **KRS1974** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:50 pm

ensignvorik wrote:Ok, so as long as everything is joined gigabit then it 'should' work, but as said above it will only work if more than one device is accessing at the same time (except more than one wireless device unless you've also managed to trunk ports to the switch from the wireless ap also depending on how advanced it is)

Raise a support ticket at the same time as the amount of reports from people with advanced networking problems since 4.3.3 is on the increase.

Happy to say I think I've worked it out (at least Qfind now sees it) however it doesn't ping with the static address assigned to it. Does it matter if I only configured one of the land ports with a static address ?? Once port trunking was enabled it wouldn't let me add statics to the other 3 it just gives me the one config for all of them which I set to .4?

Do the other 3 still pickup a dhcp or does it make no difference ?

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ensignvorik · Post by **ensignvorik** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:21 pm

Ive never done trunking on a QNAP.

It shouldn't make a difference.

The important IP is the one it's bonded too, which I guess is your .4

You shouldn't need to specify IPs for any of the LAN ports once they are bonded together, just the bond itself. This is from my Linux understanding however. Hopefully someone else will provide a better response.

You may want to test it survives a reboot to save yourself a headache down the line.

The following article helped me understand port trunking and will explain it far better than I ever could: https://delightlylinux.wordpress.com/20 ... ntu-14-04/

schumaku · Post by **schumaku** » Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:17 am

KRS1974 wrote:On the GS108T I have setup a LAG on the 4 ports that are connected to the NAS ports 5,6,7,8 but as soon as I do that it doesn't find the NAS in Qfinder Pro or anywhere. As soon as I disable the LAG it finds it and I can get into QTS.

What kind of LAG is configured on the switch? The GS108T does support static trunks or 802.3ad/LACP dynamic trunks. What kind of port trunking is configured on the NAS?

peter247 wrote:I`ve tried trucking with my ts-653a with my TL-SG1016DE switch ( 4.24 firmware ) and couldn`t get it to work at all.

The TL-SG1016DE does support simple static Port Trunks only.

Consult the QNAP documentation, and select a trunking mode compatible with what is configured on the switch.

For potential troubleshooting and self-learning-experience, one might consider to keep one port connected with a different IP address, just to have a management channel to the NAS QTS desktop, or for the sake for it to the SSH for a shall access.

If nobody does provide details, we can't help.

The other arguments ref. WiFi are valid. the WiFi bandwidth is - except when using the latest 802.11ac Wave II technology which requires 2.5 GbE connectivity - always the bigger factor than the GbE LAN throughput. With one AP, one GbE can not be fully loaded - but there can be other concurrent use of the NAS, which makes trunking valuable.

KRS1974 · Post by **KRS1974** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:23 am

schumaku wrote:
KRS1974 wrote:On the GS108T I have setup a LAG on the 4 ports that are connected to the NAS ports 5,6,7,8 but as soon as I do that it doesn't find the NAS in Qfinder Pro or anywhere. As soon as I disable the LAG it finds it and I can get into QTS.
What kind of LAG is configured on the switch? The GS108T does support static trunks or 802.3ad/LCAP dynamic trunks. What kind of port trunking is configured on the NAS?

peter247 wrote:I`ve tried trucking with my ts-653a with my TL-SG1016DE switch ( 4.24 firmware ) and couldn`t get it to work at all.
The TL-SG1016DE does support simple static Port Trunks only.

Consult the QNAP documentation, and select a trunking mode compatible with what is configured on the switch.

For potential troubleshooting and self-learning-experience, one might consider to keep one port connected with a different IP address, just to have a management channel to the NAS QTS desktop, or for the sake for it to the SSH for a shall access.

If nobody does provide details, we can't help.

The other arguments ref. WiFi are valid. the WiFi bandwidth is - except when using the latest 802.11ac Wave II technology which requires 2.5 GbE connectivity - always the bigger factor than the GbE LAN throughput. With one AP, one GbE can not be fully loaded - but there can be other concurrent use of the NAS, which makes trunking valuable.

I have configured the QNAP with dynamic IEE 802.3 ad and the switch I have done lcap

peter247 · Post by **peter247** » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:32 am

kherr4377 wrote:
peter247 wrote:I`ve tried trucking with my ts-653a with my TL-SG1016DE switch ( 4.24 firmware ) and couldn`t get it to work at all.
It didn`t get any increased bandwidth between the switch and my NAS or couldn`t communicate with it at all.
the ONLY time you get increased bandwidth is with multiple active connections. you will ALWAYS be limited to 1G per client. That is all providing your nas has the hp to provide that extra throughput

SORRY !!!!!! , only just noticed the Notifacations button ...

Yes , I know about the limit per client !!! , but it is the link between the nas and switch I`m trying to improve , so I can have 2 client on full throughput.
The switch on the box says 802.3ad , but it keeps to 1 interface with 2 computers with GB/s connections pulling data.

I will see if 4.32 firmware makes any difference

kherr4377 · Post by **kherr4377** » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:42 am

what is the physical throughput of the 653a ..... specs given out by Qnap are normally with SSDs on both ends

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