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TS-253A and Seagate IronWolf - increasing Load_Cycle_Count
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:46 pm
by seb666
Hi,
I just got a TS-253A and added (currently) one Seagate IronWolf 4TB disk (ST4000VN008).
The TS is running QTS 4.2.3 and I think I have disabled all disk power management features, but still I hear the drive parking its heads regularly, even when I'm in the middle of copying files to the TS.
I noticed that the Load_Cycle_Count SMART value for the drive is increasing a lot.
The value is about 200 now, the drive was brand new and is running continuously for less than 24h.
I don't want the drive to park its heads in the middle of operations. Ever.
Is there a way I can disable this? Or is that something that Seagate needs to fix?
TIA,
Sebastian
Re: TS-253A and Seagate IronWolf - increasing Load_Cycle_Count
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:57 pm
by Don
Nothing in the QNAP that I am aware of that you can change. I would ask Seagate as it sounds like a drive issue.
Re: TS-253A and Seagate IronWolf - increasing Load_Cycle_Count
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:00 pm
by seb666
Thanks, I contacted them...
Sebastian
Re: TS-253A and Seagate IronWolf - increasing Load_Cycle_Count
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:45 am
by seb666
It seems that the issue can be solved by running "hdparm -B 255 /dev/sdN" for each drive to disable the APM features.
Is there a place in the GUI where I could set this or do I need to set it through /tmp/config/autorun.sh?
Sebastian
Re: TS-253A and Seagate IronWolf - increasing Load_Cycle_Count
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:06 am
by Don
No way in the GUI.
Re: TS-253A and Seagate IronWolf - increasing Load_Cycle_Count
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:28 am
by seb666
So autorun.sh it is. Thanks!
Sebastian
Re: TS-253A and Seagate IronWolf - increasing Load_Cycle_Count
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:28 am
by Ron1963
This issue is also reported at the Synology forum, see
https://forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopi ... 7&t=125401 , is related to head parking and is apparently mitigated in their latest Synology firmware. I have two 8TB Seagate NAS drives, of which one is the new IronWolf version. I am not experiencing the constant clicking noises but higher LCC's counts then with older WD Red 6TB. But not alarming high like with the old WD Greens or Seagate DM drives.
Sebastian, curious to know if the hdparm command actually works as it mentioned in that topic that no hdparm command works on Seagate drives...
Re: TS-253A and Seagate IronWolf - increasing Load_Cycle_Count
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:51 am
by seb666
Hi Ron,
the hdparm command ("-B 255") did the trick for me.
Before, the drive parked its heads immediately when it became idle.
This gave me a load cycle count increase by about 400/day.
I was reading about other Seagate drives having "clicking issues" with Synology NASes before, but after a short glance at the topic you linked, this doesn't seem to be the same issue.
For me, the drive parked the head only when it became idle and "unparked" it when it was active.
No constant clicking noises when it stayed idle.
Anyway, after issuing the hdparm command to disable the drive's APM, the load cycle count has not increased at all:
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[~] # hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda
/dev/sda:
setting Advanced Power Management level to disabled
[~] # hdparm -B 255 /dev/sdc
/dev/sdc:
setting Advanced Power Management level to disabled
Sebastian
Re: TS-253A and Seagate IronWolf - increasing Load_Cycle_Count
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:55 am
by Ron1963
Hi Sebastian,
I'm glad it worked for you, however for me it doesn't. I get an input/output error message and "APM level = not supported". As mentioned in that Synology topic, for the 6, 8 and 10TB IronWolf's APM setting via hdparm doesn't work (I have 8TB versions and you have a 4TB). For those models it needs to be done by a SeaChest program which apparantly Seagate is very unwilling to distribute. I found out that our own QNAP_Stephane has created a SeaChest QPKG, see
viewtopic.php?f=320&t=126100&hilit=seachest but this only works in 4.3.x and I have the 4.3 beta not installed on my 253.
Re: TS-253A and Seagate IronWolf - increasing Load_Cycle_Count
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:32 am
by seb666
Ah, I see. So I guess I have been lucky choosing the 4TB model
Thanks for the clarification!
Sebastian
Re: TS-253A and Seagate IronWolf - increasing Load_Cycle_Count
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:38 pm
by Ron1963
On my backup 251, which has 4.3 beta running, I have been able to stop the LCC flood on my 8TB Seagate with the SeaChest QPKG from QNAP_Stephane I have mentioned above. You can either disable the EPC (extended power conditions) completely or only the idle_b powermode which drives the head parking among others. For complete disablement issue the command
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[code]SeaChest_Powerchoice_103_193_64 --EPCfeature disable –d /dev/sg#
[/code]
in the console you get after installing and starting the QPKG. The # depends on which handle the Seagate drive has, which you can find out by issuing
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[code]SeaChest_Powerchoice_103_193_64 -i
[/code]
For disabling only the idle_b mode the command is
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SeaChest_Powerchoice_103_193_64 --changePower --disableMode –powerMode idle_b –d /dev/sg#
Re: TS-253A and Seagate IronWolf - increasing Load_Cycle_Count
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:28 am
by diezone
work fine with my QNAP TS-253A and Seagate ST4000DM000
the new silence is amazing
Re: TS-253A and Seagate IronWolf - increasing Load_Cycle_Count
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:58 am
by Don
Search the forum for all the issues with the DM drives. They are not suitable for use in a NAS.
Re: TS-253A and Seagate IronWolf - increasing Load_Cycle_Count
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:19 pm
by bart_snp
HI guys
Run into same problem with a ST4000VN008 - 4TB Segate disk. Unfortunately EPC it's not supported. Am I screwed?
Just want to disable idle_b powerMode.
[/opt/SeaChest/bin] # /opt/SeaChest/bin/SeaChest_PowerChoice_103_193_64 -d /dev/sg1 --changePower --disableMode --powerMode idle_b
===============================================================================
SeaChest_PowerChoice - Seagate drive utilities
Copyright (c) 2016 Seagate Technology LLC, All Rights Reserved
SeaChest_PowerChoice Version: 1.0.3-1_9_3 X86_64
Build Date: Jun 15 2016
Today: Fri Nov 3 15:17:52 2017
===============================================================================
sg1 - ST4000VN008-2DR166 - ZDH1Z8Q7
Device does not support the Extended Power Control Feature!
Changing power settings is not supported on this drive.
[/opt/SeaChest/bin] #
Re: TS-253A and Seagate IronWolf - increasing Load_Cycle_Count
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:13 pm
by P3R
bart_snp wrote:Run into same problem with a ST4000VN008 - 4TB Segate disk. Unfortunately EPC it's not supported. Am I screwed?
Ask that question in a Seagate forum.