Replacing System disk best practice!

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Replacing System disk best practice!

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So i need change my system disk on my QNAP and i can't find the right information somewhere.

What is the best practice?

Turn off my QNAP and take the system disk out and the old system disk and the new disk on my computer and use some clone hard drive software?

Any advice is much appreciated!
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There is no "system" disk as such.
Model, firmware and RAID config?
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If you installed your nas initially as a single disk, the you have 1 system disk

If you installed your nas initially as a raid 1, the you have 2 'system' disks

If you installed your nas initially as a raid 5, the you have at least 3 'system' disks

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I agree, there's no Qnap documentation on how to replace/restore these..
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I got a QNAP TS-851 with 8 disks but i installed the QNAP with 1 disk first so the main system is only on one disk. So Disk 1!

And this is the one i want to switch out!.
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You've lost us.
What RAID config do you have??

I repeat, there is no "system" disk as such.
There is a "system" volume that holds default shares and apps.
Then the OS or system is a striped mirrored partition across all disks regardless of the RAID configuration.
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@omdawe:
Turn off the NAS, remove/extract that disk, see if NAS still boots-up.
If it does, then you have the system (volume) in more disks.
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I have a tvs671, with raid 5 (x4), then added a raid 0 (2 disks) and it can't boot if I start the NAS with just the raid 0 disks.
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The best practice is to use RAID on all disks. There is no easy way to swap out a single disk especially the one that was used to build your system.
Use the forum search feature before posting.

Use RAID and external backups. RAID will protect you from disk failure, keep your system running, and data accessible while the disk is replaced, and the RAID rebuilt. Backups will allow you to recover data that is lost or corrupted, or from system failure. One does not replace the other.

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ssuper2k wrote:@omdawe:
Turn off the NAS, remove/extract that disk, see if NAS still boots-up.
If it does, then you have the system (volume) in more disks.
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I have a tvs671, with raid 5 (x4), then added a raid 0 (2 disks) and it can't boot if I start the NAS with just the raid 0 disks.
That should not be the case.
Do you mean not see the default shares and apps or not boot at all?
The (system) volume DOES NOT need to be present for a Qnap to boot.

I find this very hard to believe.
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i've got the same issue.

When i first got my TS-1635, i only had a single drive to play with and i popped it in not knowing that the nas was going to put system stuff onto that drive that couldn't be moved. pretty stupid of me yes, but also a poor design on qnaps part to not have a utility to move this system volume if needed.

Now i have a raid 5 volume as well as a couple single drive volumes, in addition to that single drive volume which contains my system file. I'd be very curious to see what options are available as well.
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jeramie wrote:i've got the same issue.

When i first got my TS-1635, i only had a single drive to play with and i popped it in not knowing that the nas was going to put system stuff onto that drive that couldn't be moved. pretty stupid of me yes, but also a poor design on qnaps part to not have a utility to move this system volume if needed.

Now i have a raid 5 volume as well as a couple single drive volumes, in addition to that single drive volume which contains my system file. I'd be very curious to see what options are available as well.
Hang on, what makes you say that?
There is enable Home Folder that can be changed to a different volume (with care)
There is migrate apps in app centre.
There is recreate default shares.
There is set media folder.

Actually it's not that difficult but clearly people need to plan carefully.
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Not all apps provide the option to be moved.
Use the forum search feature before posting.

Use RAID and external backups. RAID will protect you from disk failure, keep your system running, and data accessible while the disk is replaced, and the RAID rebuilt. Backups will allow you to recover data that is lost or corrupted, or from system failure. One does not replace the other.

NAS: TVS-882BR | F/W: 5.0.1.2346 | 40GB | 2 x 1TB M.2 SATA RAID 1 (System/VMs) | 3 x 1TB M.2 NMVe QM2-4P-384A RAID 5 (cache) | 5 x 14TB Exos HDD RAID 6 (Data) | 1 x Blu-ray
NAS: TVS-h674 | F/W: 5.0.1.2376 | 16GB | 3 x 18TB RAID 5
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Don wrote:Not all apps provide the option to be moved.
Correct, but those without the move option can be reinstalled on the new volume.
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Hello

My question is not identical to this, but in the same ballpark, so I will take my chances.

I started my NAS with only one disk, so that system and media is on the same drive.
I would now like to add one SSD to my Qnap, and separate System and Media on separate drives.

Here comes my question.
Can I just pull out my old drive, put in my new SSD, reinstall the hole system on new SSD.
Then powerdown, insert my old drive which contain system and media.
*pray it will boot on my SSD drive*
Then just delete all system stuff from the drive I want to work as media-only?

Yes or No answer would be nice :D
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kimarild wrote:Can I just pull out my old drive, put in my new SSD, reinstall the hole system on new SSD.
Then powerdown, insert my old drive which contain system and media.
*pray it will boot on my SSD drive*
Then just delete all system stuff from the drive I want to work as media-only?

Yes or No answer would be nice :D
No.

Please stop double posting.
RAID have never ever been a replacement for backups. Without backups on a different system (preferably placed at another site), you will eventually lose data!

A non-RAID configuration (including RAID 0, which isn't really RAID) with a backup on a separate media protects your data far better than any RAID-volume without backup.

All data storage consists of both the primary storage and the backups. It's your money and your data, spend the storage budget wisely or pay with your data!
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Re: Replacing System disk best practice!

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I've same issue of kimarild, anybody can show what could be the way to do it? (Separating media and system)
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