TS-x73A: AMD Ryzen V1500B Quad-Core

[G10ra]

TS-x73A: AMD Ryzen V1500B quad-core.

TS-x73A.jpg

Eight-thread 2.2 GHz 2.5GbE NAS, built-in dual-port M.2 NVMe SSD slots, dual PCIe slots support 10GbE and storage space expansion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obxtGFnqO-E

[Trexx]

These are a nice replacement for the existing TS-x73 family with the addition of on-board NVME + 8 thread support.

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

the older models had the pre ryzen cpus. so i guess they may be phasing those out and going for ryzen only for amd solutions?

thats how i perceived this new batch of amd ryzen nas :X

would be interesting to have a cpu performance comparison vs like a celeron and i7 to put this 1500b into context. but it's probly a low power cpu which may be fine for 24/7 nas operation in terms of operating costs.

Ryzen Embedded V1500B is a 64-bit quad-core embedded x86 microprocessor introduced by AMD in December 2018. This processor is based on AMD's Zen microarchitecture and is fabricated on a GlobalFoundries 14 nm process. The V1500B operates at a base frequency of 2.2 GHz with a TDP of 16 W. This model supports a configurable TDP-down of 12 W and TDP-up of 25 W.

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_embedded/v1500b

[rgarjr]

yeah at 16W TDP it's definitely made for low power consumtion applications.

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

yeah at 16W TDP it's definitely made for low power consumtion applications.

but with 8 threads, so it's not going to be as limited as an arm cpu?

that said i don't know how well this will perform for something like say plex live transcoding would be interesting to see how that fares.

also with that many threads will it be sufficient to run vms?

[Toxic17]

Looks a nice spec'd NAS. wonder what retail pricing is going to be?

[QNAPDanielFL]

yeah at 16W TDP it's definitely made for low power consumtion applications.

but with 8 threads, so it's not going to be as limited as an arm cpu?

that said i don't know how well this will perform for something like say plex live transcoding would be interesting to see how that fares.

also with that many threads will it be sufficient to run vms?

For Plex, it won't hardware transcode. So 1080P is fine but should fail on 4K.
I expect when running many applications, running VMs, or lots of containers, where you can make use of hyperthreading it should be almost 2 times as powerful as the CPU on the TS-73 series. This should make it around as good as the i3 in the 72 series when it makes good use of Hyperthreading. Single-threaded should be less though because of the lower clock rate. Still much better than a Celeron, even for single-threaded applications.

If you want to run 1 or 2 VMs it should be able to do it. But may want to up the RAM.

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

i3 in 72 series. thx for the comparison :}

4k.... i don't use 4k so no issue for me. 1-2 vms is also more than sufficient. and good enuff to run many apps? this definitely falls into a nas suitable for my own needs. AND it uses least amounts of power ontop of that for me to keep it on 24/7 without worrying too much about the bill :O perfect.

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

another video for this series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvks9vQp9S8

does this model support graphics cards? odd words of choice. i'm assuming they meant "graphics card addon" ?

Graphic Processors: Optional via a PCIe adapter

Memory Slot: 2 x SO-DIMM DDR4
Support ECC memory

it even supports ECC ram, for a ZFS linus NAS model running on a Ryzen

does anyone have this x73A series and using ECC ram? which one works, and how well does it work, and is there any tests to confirm that the ecc is working as it should? and just curious but is the default ram ECC or do you have to upgrade to that yourself?

In a recent forum post discussing error correction code (ECC) memory, Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux, openly criticized Intel for not making ECC RAM mainstream on consumer platforms while praising AMD for supporting it on Ryzen platforms.

"ECC absolutely matters.

ECC availability matters a lot - exactly because Intel has been instrumental in killing the whole ECC industry with it's horribly bad market segmentation.

Go out and search for ECC DIMMs - it's really hard to find. Yes - probably entirely thanks to AMD - it may have been gotten slightly better lately, but that's exactly my point.

Intel has been detrimental to the whole industry and to users because of their bad and misguided policies wrt ECC. Seriously.

And if you don't believe me, then just look at multiple generations of rowhammer, where each time Intel and memory manufacturers bleated about how it's going to be fixed next time."

Torvald's post continues with very colorful language (which you can see here), specifically calling out Intel for the lack of widespread ECC adoption in the consumer space. Torvalds says this is due to Intel's complete lockdown of ECC support on its consumer chipsets and processors, claiming that this alone has killed any incentive for memory manufacturers to create desktop ECC memory for consumers.

Linus also decries the Rowhammer issues that could be easily fixed with ECC memory. DRAM memory cells can leak their own charges into other memory cells. Usually, it's just a defect in system RAM that can cause memory errors, but Rowhammer attacks use that tendency as a mechanism to gain elevated system rights.

Torvalds also says that standard memory is a nightmare to deal with when developing code for the kernel of an operating system. Linus outlines the headaches of trying to find where an unexplainable kernel error happened, claiming that the errors could often be a result of a hardware issue and not a code issue – all of which could have been fixed with ECC.

Torvalds also praised AMD for unofficially supporting ECC. Even though it is unofficial support, Linus is still very happy that AMD even extends the option on mainstream consumer Ryzen platforms, giving consumers an option to use ECC without paying ridiculous amounts of money for server-class hardware. Whether or not 'unofficial support' is the best tactic to increase ECC adoption is up for debate (it often doesn't work correctly), but Torvalds obviously thinks it's a step in the right direction.

Torvalds hits on many good points – we wish ECC memory could at least be an option for all DIY PCs and pre-builts, especially for professionals that prize system stability. Memory can be critical for computer stability, as even the slightest number of errors can result in crashes or data loss. Unfortunately, standard non-ECC memory is always at risk for errors and is never 100% stable, even if that risk is often incredibly low. Hopefully, we'll see a push for ECC RAM to become a more viable option in the consumer landscape.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/01 ... sumer-pcs/
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/Li ... cc-memoryf

BloodyIron-

ECC protects your data against very specific scenarios. ZFS will function without it. However if you do run without ECC your data can corrupt in certain scenarios in such a way that ZFS is incapable of correcting for.

ECC is maybe $10-$20 more per DIMM. If you can't afford it now, save up and buy it. If you see a bigger price difference, you're looking at the wrong places.

its-

You don't need ECC. I've run a zfs server for six years without ECC and no checksum errors ever during regular scrubs. However ECC rocks. One of my ECC DIMMs went bad the other day and I would not have noticed if it wasn't for ECC errors in the system log. Without ECC i would have been getting random errors and reboots and not been able to figure out what was going on without a lot of effort.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/co ... thout_ecc/