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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by L3rd » Sat May 02, 2020 12:10 am

It is due to the microcode. Not only for the cpu but especially for the gpu.
The motherboard is not changed .
In theory if you change the bios family (6th/7th gen) you can use a cpu from a different gen.
Please note that no one has done it until know and swapping bios can also kill your nas.


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QNAP TVS-682 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .FW: 4.4.1.1146 build 20191206
QNAP TS-509 Pro upgraded to Xeon L5408(SLBBT)/4GB . . . . . .FW: 4.2.6 Build 20200109 (TS-809 Pro)
QNAP TS-109 Pro . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .FW: 3.3.3 build 1003
QNAP QG-103N QGenie . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .FW: 3.2.3 (2018/08/10)

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by shen9175 » Sat May 02, 2020 6:03 am

rafale wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 10:41 pm
shen9175 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 2:10 pm
Just got brand new TVS-682 today. It seems the core i3 cpu upgrade to 7th gen i3-7100. After I swap i7-6700K, the machine cannot start, after wait for a while, the heatsink became really hot even I put an extra fan on the heatsink. After swap back i3-7100, the system is ok again. Does the new model does not support i7-6700k anymore?
Dubious as this would be a microcode inside the BIOS which is part of the firmware, not impossible but dubious. Maybe the motherboard has cahnged? If I was to take a guess, the peak power at boot up from the powersupply might not be sufficient for the CPU. I think most people ended up upgrading the power supply in their units?
Is it because their BIOS size is too little and they removed 6th-gen CPU microcode? I experienced that SuperMicro 1.0 ver of server motherboard support EPYC 1st gen but for upgrade EPYC 2nd-gen their 1.0 version of the motherboard has no space for both gens of CPU microcode, you have to remove first gen CPU support microcode to support 2nd gen of EPYC.
I ordred 7700K to see what happened. The annoying thing is even today after 3 years 7700k used still same price as initial release brand new one around $350, man! If it's a power problem, then this $360+ investment is not worthy.

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by L3rd » Sat May 02, 2020 6:29 am

I checked both BIOS, the first generation of x82 included the microcode for the 6th gen, then they start to ship the 7th gen with a new BIOS that includes only the microcode for the 7th gen.
NAS:
QNAP TVS-682 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .FW: 4.4.1.1146 build 20191206
QNAP TS-509 Pro upgraded to Xeon L5408(SLBBT)/4GB . . . . . .FW: 4.2.6 Build 20200109 (TS-809 Pro)
QNAP TS-109 Pro . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .FW: 3.3.3 build 1003
QNAP QG-103N QGenie . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .FW: 3.2.3 (2018/08/10)

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by rafale » Mon May 04, 2020 3:33 pm

L3rd wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 6:29 am
I checked both BIOS, the first generation of x82 included the microcode for the 6th gen, then they start to ship the 7th gen with a new BIOS that includes only the microcode for the 7th gen.
Thanks for this! It's good info. I was not going to try but now will be even less tempted by it.

@shen9175, Not it's really not worth it. The incremental gain from the 7700K is not worth either the price or the time invested in swapping in out.
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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by peelos » Mon May 04, 2020 4:08 pm

In this thread no one has yet dared to try and flash the BIOS that supports the 7th gen CPUs to the earlier x82's or vice versa.. I'm sure there are many interested in the result but the risk of bricking the device is probably the reason why.

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by L3rd » Mon May 04, 2020 4:49 pm

peelos wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 4:08 pm
In this thread no one has yet dared to try and flash the BIOS that supports the 7th gen CPUs to the earlier x82's or vice versa.. I'm sure there are many interested in the result but the risk of bricking the device is probably the reason why.

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The only benefit on the upgrade from 6th gen to 7th gen rely on the improved performance in 3D graphics and 4K video playback with full hardware acceleration of 8- and 10-bit HEVC and VP9 decode.
Considering the small benefit from installing the 7th gen CPU, I installed a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti :D
NAS:
QNAP TVS-682 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .FW: 4.4.1.1146 build 20191206
QNAP TS-509 Pro upgraded to Xeon L5408(SLBBT)/4GB . . . . . .FW: 4.2.6 Build 20200109 (TS-809 Pro)
QNAP TS-109 Pro . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .FW: 3.3.3 build 1003
QNAP QG-103N QGenie . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .FW: 3.2.3 (2018/08/10)

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by OneCD » Tue May 05, 2020 11:43 am

Hi and welcome to the forum.
shen9175 wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 6:03 am
You've recently reported a couple of posts, when I think you were actually trying to quote them. I've closed these reports.

Please check the forum icons you're clicking-on when replying. :wink:

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by peelos » Tue May 05, 2020 1:38 pm

L3rd wrote:
peelos wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 4:08 pm
In this thread no one has yet dared to try and flash the BIOS that supports the 7th gen CPUs to the earlier x82's or vice versa.. I'm sure there are many interested in the result but the risk of bricking the device is probably the reason why.

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The only benefit on the upgrade from 6th gen to 7th gen rely on the improved performance in 3D graphics and 4K video playback with full hardware acceleration of 8- and 10-bit HEVC and VP9 decode.
Considering the small benefit from installing the 7th gen CPU, I installed a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti :D
Yes also using 7th gen processor for hardware transcoding x265 codecs with Plex would be a major benefit, haven't seen GPUs successfully used for this on the x82.

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by lewis.brooks » Thu May 14, 2020 8:07 pm

Hi,

Just wondered if anyone has managed to upgrade their i7 7th Gen CPU to a i7-7700T version?

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QNAP TVS-682-i3-8G-US 6 Bay

Post by menzi » Fri May 15, 2020 4:50 am

Just purchased a TVS-682 from NewEgg
Also picked up new 4x10TB Ironwolf drives (planning on Raid 6)
2x 970 EVO M2 NVME 1TB
2x 860 EVO SSD 2TB

As I'm reading, I do not see anyone mentioning 970 EVO m2 drives...I'm a bit concerned that there may be a compatibility problem.
Can anyone shed any light on this?
Also, is there a recommended amount of RAM upgrade? manufacturer?

The primary purpose of this machine is to serve as an office back up device for my Windows 2012 Server, but I also want it to run my office cameras and I'd like to tinker around with Virtual Machines. My 2TB Raid 5 Server is 7 years old running 24/7 and I worry about things like Crypto locker etc... So I want to make multiple backups, and if we get hit, recover quickly or if the Server gives up on me, have the TVS-682 NAS step in and take over. I was thinking to try running Windows Server in the TVS-682 virtual machine and maybe have it take over for the server.

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by Dannington » Fri May 22, 2020 10:03 pm

Hi! New to this forum, but often browsed it.

I'm quite keen to upgrade my TVS-1282 from it's original i3 6100 to whatever I can install really - I originally bought the box to just serve media to my edit machine but now a few years later i'm using it more and more for VMs and containers etc. I see a lot of people have 7xxx cpus which came as standard. Do you think my 6xxx based machine will be compatible with, say, an i7 7700 in terms of socket and bios? I've been through quite a few posts here but i'm not crystal clear on this - bit nervous about flashing MB bios but i'm happy to tinker inside the box. Do you think i'd need to beef up the PSU?

Thanks, and sorry for the classic 'hey i'm new, can you tell me everything?' type post.

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by vassoura » Fri May 22, 2020 11:16 pm

From what people have been posting, it might be possible but the stakes are high and there's the chance of bricking the unit. I went with the 6700k. If you're considering this route and plan on using a GPU later on, the SF450 or SF600 from Corsair, are very good options. You also have many SFX PSUs from Silverstone and many other manufacturers.

Do not forget to buy the power adapter on eBay or a similar store and to beef up the cooling for the 6700k. I use a Noctua cooler. Check my signature below, you have the specs there.
TVS-682
- CPU: i7-6700K
- RAM: 32GB DDR4 Kingston HX434C19FRK2/32 (2x16GB 3466MHz@1.2v)
- COOLER: Noctua NH-L12 cooler
- FANS: 1x60mm NoiseBlocker fan, 1x60mm Noctua fan, 2x80mm Noctua fans, 1x92mm Noctua fan
- STORAGE: 2x500GB Crucial MX500 M.2 SSDs (RAID1 - VM duties), 2x500GB Samsung Evo 850 SSDs (RAID1 - Qtier), QM2-2P-344 with 2x500GB NVMe ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro M.2 (Caching), 4x3TB HDDs (RAID5 - Qtier)
- GPU: MSI GTX 1050 Ti LP
- PSU: SF450

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Re: QNAP TVS-682-i3-8G-US 6 Bay

Post by vassoura » Fri May 22, 2020 11:23 pm

menzi wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 4:50 am
Just purchased a TVS-682 from NewEgg
Also picked up new 4x10TB Ironwolf drives (planning on Raid 6)
2x 970 EVO M2 NVME 1TB
2x 860 EVO SSD 2TB

As I'm reading, I do not see anyone mentioning 970 EVO m2 drives...I'm a bit concerned that there may be a compatibility problem.
Can anyone shed any light on this?
Also, is there a recommended amount of RAM upgrade? manufacturer?
Some people are saying that they were able to use NVME drives on the M.2 slots, but I haven't tried it myself. The M.2 slots are only compatible with SATA drives, but some bios update might have changed this... I have NVME drives on a QNAP expansion card I bought separately.
TVS-682
- CPU: i7-6700K
- RAM: 32GB DDR4 Kingston HX434C19FRK2/32 (2x16GB 3466MHz@1.2v)
- COOLER: Noctua NH-L12 cooler
- FANS: 1x60mm NoiseBlocker fan, 1x60mm Noctua fan, 2x80mm Noctua fans, 1x92mm Noctua fan
- STORAGE: 2x500GB Crucial MX500 M.2 SSDs (RAID1 - VM duties), 2x500GB Samsung Evo 850 SSDs (RAID1 - Qtier), QM2-2P-344 with 2x500GB NVMe ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro M.2 (Caching), 4x3TB HDDs (RAID5 - Qtier)
- GPU: MSI GTX 1050 Ti LP
- PSU: SF450

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by Sushanth.reddy » Sat May 23, 2020 3:13 am

I am sorry if this has been discussed already.


Any idea if there is going to be an updated 1282T3 with the latest intel Processors, Its been a couple of years they have been refreshed? I am in market to buy one and I don't want to spend too much money on older hardware though it's powerful.

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by vassoura » Sat May 23, 2020 3:48 am

Sushanth.reddy wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 3:13 am
I am sorry if this has been discussed already.


Any idea if there is going to be an updated 1282T3 with the latest intel Processors, Its been a couple of years they have been refreshed? I am in market to buy one and I don't want to spend too much money on older hardware though it's powerful.
The thread is quite big and I understand that this makes it hard to find the information you need, no harm done :-)

In terms of NAS units, except for Xeon machines, you're buying the best hardware that you can find. Qnap has Ryzen based machines, also. Even if they're from Ryzen 1st Gen or these units based on Intel 6th/7th Gen, they're top dogs in their field. The performance is fantastic, you can add NVME drives, GPUs, RAM, 10GbE adapters, Thunderbolt 3, USB-C, etc... Take your pick! They're small servers, even better and more powerful than many of them! Of course that if you want the latest hardware, you can opt for enterprise NAS units, but you'd better have very deep pockets...

Take a look on this page: https://www.qnap.com/en/product/?conditions=1-2,1-4,3-3 (I only chose tower models based on AMD or Intel)
TVS-682
- CPU: i7-6700K
- RAM: 32GB DDR4 Kingston HX434C19FRK2/32 (2x16GB 3466MHz@1.2v)
- COOLER: Noctua NH-L12 cooler
- FANS: 1x60mm NoiseBlocker fan, 1x60mm Noctua fan, 2x80mm Noctua fans, 1x92mm Noctua fan
- STORAGE: 2x500GB Crucial MX500 M.2 SSDs (RAID1 - VM duties), 2x500GB Samsung Evo 850 SSDs (RAID1 - Qtier), QM2-2P-344 with 2x500GB NVMe ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro M.2 (Caching), 4x3TB HDDs (RAID5 - Qtier)
- GPU: MSI GTX 1050 Ti LP
- PSU: SF450

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