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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by okenny » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:00 am

wow, rgarjr - you own a lot of powerful QNAPs! But with very few HDDs. What are you doing with all those systems? Heaps of VMs or something like that?
Which do you prefer, the 1677 or the 682?


TS-1677x-1700 64GB Kingston HyperX 2666MHz | 4 x 860 EVO 500GB [RAID5] | Corsair SF600 | 3 x NF-A9 | NH-L12 with NF-A12x25 | 6 x NF-A6 | 4 x WD 10TB | QM2-4P-384 (4 x 1TB ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro M.2 [RAID5]) | Emulex Oce11102-NX
TVS-682-i7-6700K 64GB Kingston HyperX 2666MHz | 1 x 860 EVO 1TB | Corsair SF450 | 1 x NF-A8 | 4 x NF-A6 | NH-L12 with NF-A12x25| 1 x 250GB 860 EVO M.2 | Emulex Oce11102-NX
TVS-682-i7-7700 64GB Kingston HyperX 2666MHz | 1 x 860 EVO 1TB | Corsair SF450 | 1 x NF-A8 | 4 x NF-A6 | NH-L12 with NF-A12x25 | 1 x 250GB 860 EVO M.2 | Emulex Oce11102-NX
TVS-682-i7-7700 64GB Kingston HyperX 2666MHz | 1 x 860 EVO 1TB | Corsair SF450 | 1 x NF-A8 | 4 x NF-A6 | NH-L12 with NF-A12x25 | 1 x 2TB Seagate | 1 x 250GB 860 EVO M.2| Emulex Oce11102-NX
QNAP TVS-1282-i7K-40G with Corsiar H5 SF watercooling, 3x 80mm PWM Noctua fans, 1x 60mm PWM Noctua fan, Corsair SF450 PSU

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by rgarjr » Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:28 am

yeah, just mainly use them to spin some VMs. x77 and x82 are very similar, just difference cpus of course.

TS-1677x-1700 64GB Kingston HyperX 2666MHz | 4 x 860 EVO 500GB [RAID5] | Corsair SF600 | 3 x NF-A9 | NH-L12 with NF-A12x25 | 6 x NF-A6 | 4 x WD 10TB | QM2-4P-384 (4 x 1TB ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro M.2 [RAID5]) | Emulex Oce11102-NX
TVS-682-i7-6700K 64GB Kingston HyperX 2666MHz | 1 x 860 EVO 1TB | Corsair SF450 | 1 x NF-A8 | 4 x NF-A6 | NH-L12 with NF-A12x25| 1 x 250GB 860 EVO M.2 | Emulex Oce11102-NX
TVS-682-i7-7700 64GB Kingston HyperX 2666MHz | 1 x 860 EVO 1TB | Corsair SF450 | 1 x NF-A8 | 4 x NF-A6 | NH-L12 with NF-A12x25 | 1 x 250GB 860 EVO M.2 | Emulex Oce11102-NX
TVS-682-i7-7700 64GB Kingston HyperX 2666MHz | 1 x 860 EVO 1TB | Corsair SF450 | 1 x NF-A8 | 4 x NF-A6 | NH-L12 with NF-A12x25 | 1 x 2TB Seagate | 1 x 250GB 860 EVO M.2| Emulex Oce11102-NX

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by okenny » Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:38 am

I would have thought that one big system with a Threadripper would be better (cheaper) than so many QNAPs.
With VMWARE, Proxmox or something with that.
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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by immaculatec » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:05 pm

Yes i immediately placed and order for it. Lets see how NH-L12 Ghost Edition works now :)

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by michalspl2000 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:20 pm

Ok, I did upgrades :)

Now I have question which GPU card will be best with performance but with normal price which will fit on ours server?

tvs-1282

Right now I have GTX 1050Ti Mini from old PC which is working ok but is not "new" and sometimes good to be play on something NEW ;)

I read about INNO3D GEFORCE RTX 2060 SUPER TWIN X2 OC but few post earlier someone wrote that is very loud, my server is still server 24/7/365 and don't want to be "rocket" all the time

I'm thinking about Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 2070 OC Mini or something like that but it is not supported and I don't know if will be working.

So any suggestion what to buy for "normal" price which will work and not be a "rocket" with dBA ?

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by antik » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:01 pm

michalspl2000 wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:20 pm
...I read about INNO3D GEFORCE RTX 2060 SUPER TWIN X2 OC but few post earlier someone wrote that is very loud, my server is still server 24/7/365 and don't want to be "rocket" all the time?
Hi michalspl2000. Yeap, that was me :-)
In my case, after enable Vsync in the game and setting up "Fan speed curve" in MSI Afterburner app, the situation is fine (acceptable) :)
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TVS-871-16G (backup) (fw: 4.4.3.1381) + 8x 8TB Seagate IronWolf Pro (RAID5, backup and QVR Pro)
Network stuff: TP-Link Archer AX11000, QSW-804-4C, ASUS XG-U2008 and TP-Link TL-SG1008MP.

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by michalspl2000 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:32 pm

after enable Vsync in the game and setting up "Fan speed curve" in MSI Afterburner app, the situation is fine (acceptable)
ok still, in idle when VM is just runing how many degrees is on the card ?
and/or how loud is it ? can you make measurements via phone with app ?
I'm just asking because 30% fans speed doesn't say much ;)

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by antik » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:21 am

"in idle when VM is just runing how many degrees is on the card?" - around 45 degrees (check screenshot)
"how loud is it? can you make measurements via phone with app ?" - no I can't because in the area of FAN 30-40 degrees (30°C FAN = +-1000RPM), almost nothing can be heard

However, I would still recommend choosing a different graphics card.
Someone mentioned here on the forum that he bought an RTX2600 or RTX2700 from another brand and it works fine for him, but I don't remember what kind of manufacturer it was.
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TVS-1282T3-i7-48G (450W) (fw: h) + 3x NF-A8 PWM + QXG-10G1T + INNO3D RTX 2060 SUPER TWIN X2 OC RGB + 2x 1TB ADATA SX8200PNP M.2 NVMe SSD (OS, apps, RAID1) + 3x 256GB Kingston SSD KC400 (VM's, RAID0) + 1x 1TB Kingston SSD SKC400 (TimeMachine backup) + 8x 10TB Seagate IronWolf Pro (RAID5).
TVS-871-16G (backup) (fw: 4.4.3.1381) + 8x 8TB Seagate IronWolf Pro (RAID5, backup and QVR Pro)
Network stuff: TP-Link Archer AX11000, QSW-804-4C, ASUS XG-U2008 and TP-Link TL-SG1008MP.

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by rafale » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:22 pm

That would have been me. I installed a Zotac 2070 Mini in mine and it is working great... It just took a little wiggling to get the card in due to the narrow width. The one brand I will not recommend is MSI as their cards are way too wide for the QNAP.
TVS 1282, i7 6700K, intel X550-T2,Mellanox ConnectX3, Zotac RTX 2070 mini, 64GB Crucial DDR4, 2xMicron1100 2TB SATA, 2x Crucial C300 128GB Cache, 2x850 EVO 500GB M.2. 4x WD Red 8TB, 4x WD Purple 4TB

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by michalspl2000 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:36 am

...I installed a Zotac 2070 Mini in mine and it is working great...
I have checked this card but recommended PSU is 650W I have Corsair SF600 and I don't know if it is enough... can you tell something about that (I mean stability, any unexpected shutdowns etc)

Right now I have Zotac GTX 1050Ti Mini and I'm happy how it work.

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by rafale » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:25 pm

About power supplies and these crazy recommendations.... Like many things, you know your system better than anyone else so I don’t see why you would listen to recommendations from someone who knows nothing about your setup. Of course to be legally protected they will tell you to get a monster power supply.
Do the math yourself or better yet measure how much your system is currently consuming under stress.
My QNAP1282 with all the SSDs and all the drives never consumes more than 200W at absolute peak. It actually hums typically around 100W while constantly recording 16 cameras, powering 2 PCIe NICs and running 3VMs... and this is measured from the wall. So with a 450W power supply, it really is never hitting more than 180-190W. The power supplies are also designed to be able to sustain short spikes over their capacity. Think about it: the 6700K has a 93W TDP, it spikes around 130W, All 8 drives at peak can probably pull 80W. The 6SSDs likely combine no more than 25W with the RAM/Fans/Chipset/peripherals maybe an additional 10-25W. The QNAP original power supply without GPU consideration is only 250W and would be plenty to power all of these so you have at least 350W for your GPU.
The the 2070 runs nominally at a limit of 175W and at 200W for short bursts.
For power supplies, what matters most is not just the wattage but the quality of the components/ability to sustain their load without noise/ripple/droop. You may get 1000W power supply which won’t be able to properly sustain the load of a 450W one under stress, thus these overly conservative recommendations. The SF600 is a very good power supply, You could almost put two 2070 in your QNAP.
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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by michalspl2000 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:18 pm

hmm I didn't think about that ;) and you have right. I took first of online calculator of PSU (I don't know if I can put link to website) and I make full load what I can put to our server and from calculator Recommended PSU Wattage: 583 W (with GPU).
one more time thx for pay attention to it :)

OK ... now I have whole picture ... now the hardest part ;) searching for discounts on GPU :)

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by P3R » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:18 pm

rafale wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:25 pm
All 8 drives at peak can probably pull 80W.
WD Red Pro 8TB (WD8003FFBX) are specified to use 8.8W when reading/writing. 8*8.8=70.4W
Peak they are specified as 2.08A (2.08*12=24.96W). 8*24.96=199.68W

That peak would probably only happen during spinup though and spinups probably unlikely coincide with the graphics is working at max.
RAID have never ever been a replacement for backups. Without backups on a different system (preferably placed at another site), you will eventually lose data!

A non-RAID configuration (including RAID 0, which isn't really RAID) with a backup on a separate media protects your data far better than any RAID-volume without backup.

All data storage consists of both the primary storage and the backups. It's your money and your data, spend the storage budget wisely or pay with your data!

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Re: Brand New TVS-x82T!

Post by rafale » Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:02 am

Yeah but I don't rely on specifications. I have actual measurements. I also don't run WD Red Pros. They are WD reds. At constant read/write they pull closer to 5W than 8.8W and at peak they are at about 10W.
Specifications likely show short time spikes which have limited relevance for a good power supply.
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