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TS-832X 10 gigabit questions

Postby jeamail2 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:05 am

I am considering the purchase of a TS-832X or some other 8 bay NAS.
The specs indicate the 832X has two 10G SFP+ ports.
What would I need to connect one of these to a switch with 10gbase t ports?
Are the SFP+ modules replaceable with 10gbase t modules?
I suppose I could also purchase a switch with at least one SFP+ port.
Currently all my switches are gigabit and I don’t have any other 10 gigabit hardware.
This is a home network, not a business.

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Re: TS-832X 10 gigabit questions

Postby QNAPDanielFL » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:59 am

I think if you don't already have the 10G switch, the easiest thing is to get a switch with both 10G baseT and 10G SFP+. QNAP sells some with combo ports that can either work with BaseT or SFP+.

There are converters that convert SFP+ to BaseT. But they are expensive enough that I think it makes more sense just to get a switch with both kinds of ports.

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Re: TS-832X 10 gigabit questions

Postby jeamail2 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:10 am

Thanks for the reply.
Looks 10G switches with one or more SFP+ ports are readily available.
I can also get a Qnap LAN-10G1TA 10G base T card for less than $150.
I am also looking at the TS 873 and TS 873e that support virtual machines.

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Re: TS-832X 10 gigabit questions

Postby Bob Zelin » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:44 am

Hi -
this is my opinion, and it's not based on fact, as I don't own a TS-832X.
I do however own a TS-831X and its a slow piece of junk, unless you are doing accounting data. For high speed access to files like video, that demand a 10G connection, I find the TS-831X useless, and
find that the TS-873e (with optional 10G card) is wonderful and fast, and at virtually the same price. There are certain select component lines that companies like QNAP and Synology choose, and the
TS-831X (and apparently the TS-832X) have the incredibly horrible Annapurna CPU processor. You get (with the TS-831X) about 200 MB/sec over 10G - where as with a TS-873e and the corresponding
QXG-10G1T 10G card (not the LAN-10G1TA), you will get 400 - 500 MB/sec WRITE and close to 1000 MB/sec READ speed (which I consider wonderful for such an inexpensive product). The QSG-10G1T uses the new Aquantia chip, and is what QNAP recommends for the TVS-873e - AND the TS-832X
https://www.qnap.com/en-us/product/ts-832x see bottom of document.
The LAN-10G1TA is based on another horrible component - the Tehuti 10G network chip, which is DRAMATICALLY slower than the Aquantia 10G chip (or the not mentioned Intel X550 series10G chip)
I fully understand that people look at these boxes and say "hey, it's an 8 bay, it supports 10G, and its cheaper" - but as you can expect, the performance is less. And if you care about performance, I am GUESSING that the TS-873e (which I have installed over 5 units now with the QXG-10G1T 10G card) will dramatically outperform the TS-832X with this Annapurna processor. This is a GUESS, as I have never installed a TS-832X, but I have installed (and own) a TS-831X, and let me tell you - it's terrible if you care about performance. But in the same way that the really wonderful TVS-1282T3 will outperform the TS-873e, but of course, it's more money.
But no matter how incorrect my opinion is here on the TS-832x (due to my lack of direct experience with this model), I DO have experience with the QNAP LAN-10G1TA, and that 10G board is a piece of junk. Make sure, no matter what model you purchase from your 2 choices - to get the new QXG-10G1T - which is not only faster, but is CHEAPER than the LAN-10G1T. And if you need a small 10G switch, you cannot beat the price on the QNAP QSW-1208-8C, which is about $589, and has BOTH SFP+ ports and 10Gbase-T ports. Its unmanaged, so you cant Link Aggregate ports, but for a small system, it's great for the price.

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Re: TS-832X 10 gigabit questions

Postby jeamail2 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:47 am

Oops I meant the TVS 873e
The QXG-10G1T is not on the compatibility list for the TS 832X
The 832X is $750 - the TVS 873e is $1200
The TS 873 (without the “e” ) is $900
However, the drives are going to cost much more than any of the three.
If I buy the 873 or 873e I will also buy the QXG-10G1T to make sure I can upgrade to 10G
I don’t plan to upgrade anything else to 10G until prices come down.

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Re: TS-832X 10 gigabit questions

Postby Bob Zelin » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:42 pm

I just saw that too. The 832x cannot be used with the new QXG-10G1T. And the LAN-10G1TA uses the horrible
Tehuti TN4010 10G chip, which is garbage compared to the Aquantia QXG-10G1T. Seeing that (now that you pointed it out to me) will
make me sure to never recommend the TS-832x. The TVS-873e ( I actually don't know what the difference is between the 873 and 873e other than the color) -
is a GREAT product. It's slower than the TVS-1282T3, but it's still great - especially for the money. Add the QXG 10G card, and you will be very happy for a
small system. 10G prices are low for PC's - you can get the QNAP or ASUS 10G cards for PC's for $99 (that's pretty low - isn't it). And for thunderbolt 3 Mac's, the
Sonnet Solo 10G is only $177, and it's super fast with the QNAPs. Only Thunderbolt 2 to 10G adaptors are still expensive.

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Re: TS-832X 10 gigabit questions

Postby gggplaya » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:38 am

The cost of multi-gigabit switches based on IEEE 802.3bz aren't too bad depending on how many ports of 10G you need. A two 10G port with eight 1G ports is about $200 these days. Works with the QNAP multi-gigabit aquantis chips in the QXG-10G1T pcie card and the asus ASUS XG-C100C : https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-2x10-Gig ... 42YPN?th=1

2 ports of 10g would allow you to transfer files quickly to the NAS from 1 computer. The other 8 would be able to read data at 1gbps. It really depends on your needs.

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Re: TS-832X 10 gigabit questions

Postby jeamail2 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:03 am

Thanks for the responses
I decided to order a TS-873, a QXG-10G1T and an ASUS XG-C100C.
This should allow me to run a direct cable between the NAS and one PC as a test.

However, I am fairly sure that even the 832x can saturate a one gigabit port on
my existing network and would have solved my need for more drives/storage.

There appear to be at least three 873 models.
The TVS-873 and the TVS-873e have a HDMI video port driven by the AMD chip.
The TS-873 using an AMD chip without video but otherwise has the same specs.

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Re: TS-832X 10 gigabit questions

Postby dolbyman » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:59 am

jeamail2 wrote:However, I am fairly sure that even the 832x can saturate a one gigabit port on
my existing network and would have solved my need for more drives/storage.


But this thread was about 10GbE not 1GbE

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Re: TS-832X 10 gigabit questions

Postby Axamus » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:32 pm

Bob Zelin wrote:
You get (with the TS-831X) about 200 MB/sec over 10G

With jumbo frames with TS-531X I can get more than 300-350 MB/s, but still slower than expected.

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Re: TS-832X 10 gigabit questions

Postby Bob Zelin » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:42 pm

yea - you would like to ASSUME that it's 10G, and you would get great speeds with all of them. Obviously not so. The moral is - "you get what you pay for".
In the same way, the TVS-873e with the new QXG-10G1T gets 500 Write and 900 READ (how come the write is slow) - but if you use the TVS-1282T or TS-1685 (and of course the rack mount
TVS-EC1680U with the LAN-10G2T-X550) - you get 900 MB/sec or more WRITE and READ. Again - you get what you pay for. It's a constant battle to figure out which QNAPS are suited for professional use, and
which ones are for "fun family applications" at home. What can I say. Having new QNAP model numbers every 2 weeks does not make this process any easier.

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