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Re: exFAT support for external drives

Post by Kostaki » Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:04 am

The good news is: QTS 4.3 will introduce exFAT support for external storage.


Can somebody confirm this?
Couldn't find it in the release note
http://marketing-materials.qnap.com/temp/160907_QTS4.3_preview/technical_preview_build_QTS4.3.0_Build20160826_Release_Note-rev2.txt

I really need this working! Such a basic function, copying pictures from a cameras memory-card directly to the NAS ....

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Re: exFAT support for external drives

Post by doolio » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:46 am

+1 for exFAT support

My use case is as follows: I would like to conntect an external USB3.0 HDD to the NAS to perform a backup to the NAS and then have that drive be available (after un-mounting it) in turn to both Windows and Mac clients.

The online manual says that only the following file formats are supported: EXT3, EXT4, FAT32, NTFS, or HFS+ (Mac only) file system so I can use NTFS but not have Macs write to the drive or use HFS+ and not have Windows machines access the drive

How are other people making their external HDDs that they use with the NAS accessible to both Win and Mac? :S

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Re: exFAT support for external drives

Post by kirylo » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:24 pm

According to Qnap, we need to buy a windows OS and install it on our Qnap to be able to read exFat.

https://www.qnap.com/en/tutorial/con_show.php?op=showone&cid=219

Basically we need to spend around 300$ for a fresh windows licence and then install it on our Qnap just to read a FAT file system. Wow!! I mean what is the point of spending your money for a QTS system when we can have windows? :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

I should probably open a new business and start selling NAS systems worlwide and just state"Install Windows" to configure and use them.

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Re: exFAT support for external drives

Post by schumaku » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:25 pm

kirylo wrote:According to Qnap, we need to buy a windows OS and install it on our Qnap to be able to read exFat.
Nice idea - some overkill I must admit - certainly not the solution.

Kostaki wrote:Couldn't find it in the release note
Plenty of things are going on - lost of changes and enhancements in the Tech Preview.

Just attending a QNAP presentation, it was made clear that (misleadingly designated "native") exFAT will become available along with a paid license.

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Re: exFAT support for external drives

Post by vikino » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:23 am

Today i bought licence on qnap store, it costs only 3,99USD, works like a charm with 4.3.2 beta :-)
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Re: exFAT support for external drives

Post by joemcfarnham » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:43 am

Seriously? Seriously? QNAP is charging us for a driver??????? ** nickel and diming over a driver on a $500+ Nas? Enough reason to look elsewhere for my next NAS, goodmove QNAP one less customer.

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Re: exFAT support for external drives

Post by OneCD » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:48 am

joemcfarnham wrote:Enough reason to look elsewhere for my next NAS, goodmove QNAP one less customer.


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Re: exFAT support for external drives

Post by whoisnader » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:09 am

Lol, there is some irony to that. When you spend $2000 on a NAS and then being charged $3.99 on top of that is a little silly. Why isn't this just incorporated into the NAS and the price absorbed!

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Re: exFAT support for external drives

Post by schumaku » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:50 pm

whoisnader wrote:When you spend $2000 on a NAS and then being charged $3.99 on top of that is a little silly. Why isn't this just incorporated into the NAS and the price absorbed!
When you had sold some millions of NAS, would you be willing to pay several US$ per NAS in the field - what translates to several million US$ - to the license owner - just to make exFAT available to all?

joemcfarnham wrote:Seriously? Seriously? QNAP is charging us for a driver??????? ** nickel and diming over a driver on a $500+ Nas? Enough reason to look elsewhere for my next NAS, goodmove QNAP one less customer.
You don't pay for the driver (QNAP has covered this part already) - you pay for the right to use it - at then end of the day to Microsoft).

The three big NAS makers either don't support exFAT (like Netgear), or charge for a non-transferable license (Synology, QNAP).

Might happen some of the newbies NAS makers without much continuity in the product lines releasing NAS models as a point solution might introduce exFAT as part of a fire and forget NAS model.

And of course, NAS operating on Windows Storage Server or the like have it - because the maker does pay for it with the Windows license fee.

How many options of a modern car (charged for a few hundred Dollars to some thousand Dollars) are just software features, which can be unlocked or loaded to your car computer systems after selecting from the accessorises catalogue by the dealer or official service point - without the need of changing anything physical on the car you already have?

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Re: exFAT support for external drives

Post by farba000 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:33 pm

Why Apple don't need any pay for exfat, whitch is embendend in OS X , and Qnap do ?
Answer yourself :)


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Re: exFAT support for external drives

Post by schumaku » Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:33 am

farba000 wrote:Why Apple don't need any pay for exfat, whitch is embendend in OS X , and Qnap do ?
Who says Apple does not have to pay loyalties to Microsoft for exFAT?

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Re: exFAT support for external drives

Post by whoisnader » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:47 am

schumaku wrote:
whoisnader wrote:When you spend $2000 on a NAS and then being charged $3.99 on top of that is a little silly. Why isn't this just incorporated into the NAS and the price absorbed!
When you had sold some millions of NAS, would you be willing to pay several US$ per NAS in the field - what translates to several million US$ - to the license owner - just to make exFAT available to all?

Selling a product (especially when overseas), you apply a buffer into the cost of the product (price protection) to allow for fluctuations in cost of goods sold. To run a sustainable business, you must be making a 15% profit margin, to run a successful international product based business, you must be making at least %30 margin. The idea that you feel QNAP cannot absorb cost creep of 3.99US into a $2000 product that is sold globally, is illogical. In actual fact, it is common practice to include licensing/loyalty fees into a product's price. The effort QNAP has to go to, to manage this on a per machine activation just goes to make a bad user experience.

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Re: exFAT support for external drives

Post by dolbyman » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:50 pm

what about the already sold devices that would also get this free upgrade after the sale ? ( via firmware upgrade)

just purchase it ..or leave it

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Re: exFAT support for external drives

Post by schumaku » Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:26 pm

whoisnader wrote:The idea that you feel QNAP cannot absorb cost creep of 3.99US into a $2000 product that is sold globally, is illogical.
The average bread and butter model sold in large volumes are in much lower price ranges with most NAS makers. And there I see a very competitive market in the price-performance-feature triangle. Adding a higher clocked SoC, 10 GbE SFP+ port(s), double DRAM, and selling it at a competitive price is part of the game.

The advantage of the current approach? QNAP and their competition can see some 80% of the demand for exFAT - the other 20% are adding the unlicensed, Open Source (which can't be bundled either) exFAT.

Well, there is another factor: The very large vendors or system integrators like the mobile phone, consumer electronics or care manufacturers can get the exFAT for much lower prices per unit. The M$ licensing model is unattractive for niche and small vendors (NAS makers are still in this scale) and must be paid in advance.

Demand and time will tell.

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Re: exFAT support for external drives

Post by farba000 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:45 pm

schumaku wrote:
farba000 wrote:Why Apple don't need any pay for exfat, whitch is embendend in OS X , and Qnap do ?
Who says Apple does not have to pay loyalties to Microsoft for exFAT?


But Apple don't loads this ends users :)
And Qnap do.


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